What about bazooka's?

[Eagler]

I apologize in advance if this subject has already been covered.

I was just thinking how neat it would be to have the option of infantry bazooka teams to help combat the ostwind, panzers, m16 and heck, landed enemy C47's. I am not a bazooka expert, though I do like the bubble gum  , but the option of two ppl's joining up as an American bazooka team or a single ppl grabbing the German version, sliding off (the icon would not show up until closer say .5k to reflect the small target), sneaking up and blasting the flanks/treads of the AH armored units, then running like hell (serpentine, serpentine  ). Here are a couple of sites with specs on the two: http://www.geocities.com:0080/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust2.htm#pzfaust100  http://normandy.eb.com/normandy/articles/bazooka.html
From the looks of things, it took two to operate the American version, while the German version looks like a single soldier could handle it.
This could lead into mortar units, machine gun nests, etc.. so it could get out of control.

Just an idea, as stated before I'm into AH for the planes -  the rest is just gravy as long as the frame rate doesn't suffer.

Eagler

[Fishu]

...I wonder if such things maximum range would be 300 meters, with those same bonuses that other guns has...

[StSanta]

That'd depend on whether Kurt Tank designed them or not  

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[-raxx-]

From memory the British Army Anti-tank weapon was a PIAT, (Portable Infantry Anti-Tank), which had a maximum range of about 30 yards and effective only against light tanks or their treads.  The typical ammo load was 4 rounds, (or as many as you could carry without popping your ring out).  

By comparison the modern disposable M72 is sighted out to 500m but you've got as much chance of hitting a tank at that range as hitting it with a spit ball, (and the effect is about the same except the tankies don't notice spitballs hitting the armour =).  Effective range is up to 300 metres.

My subjective 2 cents from personal experience with the M72.

Spotcha in the Air

[Hans]

There was some talk of this in Warbirds (before Hitech and Pyro left) about adding special weapon teams.  Mortars, machineguns, and other weapons.

I wouldn't know if these would have any real use in Aces High.  They would just be ground vehicles that are harder to see, but with weaker weapons.

If anything I want to see treelines.  A long, 2D sprite of trees, but they don't affect bullets.  I asked for these once, an I think Pyro himself came back and said "no".  Shame.  This would give the ground war a bit more to play in...and hide in.

Hans.

[Jigster]

Just a note...the Bazooka on that page is the M1 variant (After the M9 came around only Airborne squads used them)

When already loaded, the M1 is easily a 1 man weapon, reloading, of course, would go faster with a loader (and more rounds) but the Bazooka teams weren't always so lucky on drops (although anyone could serve as loader provide there were rounds available)

The M9 was bigger (a two piece model that was usually distributed amoung the two man team when not in use, hence it was no good for airborne squads) and about as effective as the later Panzerschrecks.


I guess if you really want something that would fit into AH, check into the Panzerschrecks. While basicly a 88mm version of the US M1 Bazooka, it did have better stabilization, penetration, (and turned anything behind it or infront of the blast shield into goo) and even had air-to-air cartridges (I don't think they ever used them)

 

[brady]

  My kingdom for a Panzerfaust(they could kill anything from just about any angle tank wise)

       Brady

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by brady:
 My kingdom for a Panzerfaust(they could kill anything from just about any angle tank wise)

       Brady

Within 100 feet.  

It'd never work in AH right now...no cover.

Panzerschrecks and Bazookas were good for about 300m depending on version (some out 1000m) so you could at least get a shot off before the MG34 starting popping off.

[bloom25]

Hmmm, wonder if it would be possible to shoot down planes with it?  



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[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by bloom25:
Hmmm, wonder if it would be possible to shoot down planes with it?  

There are stories at least from eastern front where germans tried to use panzerfausts against russian fighters which came down to strafe them..
well.. results for the shooter weren't often nice ones.

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
There are stories at least from eastern front where germans tried to use panzerfausts against russian fighters which came down to strafe them..
well.. results for the shooter weren't often nice ones.

Fishu might of been the Pz Schreck...they actually produced air to air rounds (making it perhaps the first Surface-to-air infantry weapon!) that used one of the 88mm AAA primers in the warhead.

And yer right about the Panzerfausts tho...that thing had a "death" zone for over 3m behind it...any infantry behind the guy shooting would of been cooked, hitting anything moving that fast with a projectile that only move 200fpm, ( and only accurate for 30 yards) and having the plane shooting at ya whole time, yeash. That's perhaps the biggest advantage of the US Bazooka, it wasn't so dangerous to the shooter.

Before the Panzerschreck got that blast shield, the gunner and loader had to wear a protective smock and a gas mask because the rocket was still burning after it left the tube (spewing molten goo in their faces).

That thing was nasty...and it kicked...the back blast of the shield could knock the gunner down  

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Jigster:

Fishu might of been the Pz Schreck...they actually produced air to air rounds (making it perhaps the first Surface-to-air infantry weapon!) that used one of the 88mm AAA primers in the warhead.

And yer right about the Panzerfausts tho...that thing had a "death" zone for over 3m behind it...any infantry behind the guy shooting would of been cooked, hitting anything moving that fast with a projectile that only move 200fpm, ( and only accurate for 30 yards) and having the plane shooting at ya whole time, yeash. That's perhaps the biggest advantage of the US Bazooka, it wasn't so dangerous to the shooter.

Some actually did use panzerfaust to get a plane down  
Eastern front was one desperate war.

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
Some actually did use panzerfaust to get a plane down  
Eastern front was one desperate war.

They'd prolly have more luck throwing it like a stick grenade