I'm not going to read all these posts.  Dude the 38 is a good plane in the right hands.  I've tried several times and I can't fly the damn thing.  I've almost, repeat almost asked for help on how to fly them.  My simple solution is that I don't.  Please don't bash the SAPP guys for knowing how to fly there plane and with good wingman tactics.  I've run into them and even gotten some good advice on how I could have fight them better in the future.  Don't flame them. Just go up there and beat em.  Learn from your mistakes.  I knew in LW I was going to get picked or shot down, but if you give up you'll never learn.  Plus they won't respect you.  Pawz and one of his buddies which I think is still learning the P38, were flying high alt cap.  Pawz shot me down when I got on his buddy and I immediately reupped and went back.  I came co alt and co e with Pawz. I had very close firing solutions on him and after a good tussle he got me.  He offered me advice that so far has worked for me.  I after i got pwned he respected the fight.  I respected his skills and he paid me off with good advice.  I still may not be able to shoot him down but i'll be a little bit more experienced thanks to a SAPP pilot who likes a good fight.  <S> to all SAPP pilots.