Fyv's Missing Bombers list

[Ack-Ack]

I knew a bomber pilot would catch that 

Are you sullying the name of the wonderful Lightning by calling it a bomber?



ack-ack

[SmokinLoon]

The Tu-2 was rare and only came in late.  Calling the Pe-2 weak compared to the Il-4 is baffling.  The Pe-2 was much better, if carrying a lighter war load. 

The Tu-2 (if I said IL-4, my bad) was far more capable than the Pe-3 with its dual 20mm cannons and 3000lbs+ more ord.  I 'spose either could be argued for since the Pe-2 was far more produced and longer serving than the Tu-2 and obviously had a bigger impact on the war albeit a lesser capability.

The Pe-2 would be a slower Mossie with no Hispanos (or rockets) and only two forward firing .30 cals.  Not a good performer for the MA, really.  Tu-2 or IL-4, imo.   

Regarding the B24x and B17x arguements... I dont think there are enough differences between the models to warrent HTC spedning their time and effort on them when there are so many other gaps to fill.  The bomb loads, speeds, etc are all too similar, imo.  Yeah, there are some differences in defensive guns, but even then... do they change their offensive capability enough to warrant all the time and effert???

[Karnak]

There would be very little effort in adding a B-17F and it would be much more appropriate for a lot of settings.

[trigger2]

The bombers we have in-game already fly as high and as fast as the B-29 cruised.

We should NEVER get the B-29 until we get some sort of bomber engine/power limitations.

And engine failures.

I'd love to see someone gettin ready for take off, gettin the engines goin, then having both their left engines go out, and their gears crashing in on them.

I, personally, would love to see the Dornier Do-217...

[Rich46yo]

We need the TU-2 more then any other airplane in the game, I believe. By giving us this bomber Aces High would be fulfilling the following.

1, Filling out the Russian set.
2, Throwing the bomber guys a bone.
3, Giving us a highly capable airplane that can compete in the LWAs arenas where most of the action is.
4, Actually giving us a "other then Yank" bomber that can compete , and enhance, realistic missions and events.

Right now I'm having visions of the major eastern front battles of '43, '44, and '45. The TU-2 was at most of them, including the ones against Japan. Like the other Soviet airplanes we have already they reflect the basic mindset of the Soviet Air Force of WW-2. Close to the front, aggressive, and heavily involved in tactical operations. This was probably the best medium bomber of the war. Designed with pencil and paper by a guy sitting in a prison cell. The TU-2 would be like giving your B-26 the speed of a KI-67, or your KI-67 the bombload of a B-26.

It would be a great addition to the game. The PE-2 would be a fine alternative but I think we really need a Soviet level bomber.

[Karnak]

Problem with the Tu-2 is it only covers mid-1944 to the end of the war leaving 1941 through mid-1944 completely uncovered.  It is the same problem the Ki-67 gives Japan.

Yes, the Tu-2 would be nice, but we also need the Il-4 or Pe-2 as well as the G4M2 to cover those nation's earlier bombers.

[NEARY]

the bombers put in this game are sometimes a puzzle to me, It seems like we are missing some of the main bombers of the war on all sides. I decided to make a list of the obvious ones and spam this forum with it.  A lot of them are mid and early war, but they are none the less important craft that contributed in large numbers to significant events and battles throughout the war. I'll leave priority to all of you.

He-111 yes we need to get that added
Do-17 That too
Hs-129 After we get the other stuff

G4M Betty We need that
D4Y Judy not yet

SB2C Helldiver lets just use the sbd for now we get that later
TBD Devistator sure but we should wait for a russian one first

B-17F we have the b-17g that is good for now
B-24D we have the b-24J which is better than that one
B-29 IN
A-36 Just use a loaded pony

Mosquito Bomber sure that wuld be nice
Handley Page Halifax later on
Vickers Wellingtonsame as halifax

Petlyakov Pe-2 #1 priority!

My favorites for instant addition to the game would of course be the B-17f, B-24D and B-29, But I'm an American Iron guy. Any new bombers or attack aircraft would be good.

Did I miss any good ones? Beaufighter,Beaufort,Lockheed Hudson, ju-87 G1

<S> Fyvsix

[FYB]

I always get a kick out of the nuker's using that as the reason for no 29............ In 2 years of service during the war, the B29 dropped tens of thousands of bombs........... Only 2, by the way, were Atomic.  You probably all know their names too! 

Now for you bomber hanger size people............. Trivia question:

What percentage of WWII aircraft were kept in hangers? 
What percentage of American bombers did not fit in the south Pacific hangers at US Army Air Corp bases?
Can anybody on the board find a photo of a B29 sitting in a hanger during the war?

Now for you strip people..... During the war it was not uncommon for the short runways of the south Pacific to cause Superfortress's to go into the ocean...  Go look for yourself downers!!!

Are there any other excuses not to have it?

The EnolaGay
And
The BoxCar

Yes???

[viper215]

...and many will dive-bomb with it.

Good fight gvs/tanks

[Rich46yo]

Problem with the Tu-2 is it only covers mid-1944 to the end of the war leaving 1941 through mid-1944 completely uncovered.  It is the same problem the Ki-67 gives Japan.

Yes, the Tu-2 would be nice, but we also need the Il-4 or Pe-2 as well as the G4M2 to cover those nation's earlier bombers.

Im going from memory but TU-2s did fly in combat, squadron strength, in 1943. I believe they were at Kursk and the Kalinin front 1943. I dont have time to research it now.

[texastc316]

Id like to see all of these planes, and more. It doesnt matter if there are better performers already here, or if a certain plane wouldnt fit in the LW. There is plenty of room for these "lesser' planes in the EW MW and of course snapshots and scenarios. More choices more targets more realism. more more more....uhoh

[Yossarian]

You forgot the A-26 on your list!

I was about to say that!! 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247406.0.html

[stroker71]

I was about to say that!! 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247406.0.html

I was trying to start a fight...no one would bite.  Guess my hook is rusty and my bait is dead.

[Bomber49]

The SB2c,son of a b***h 2nd class should be in the game. Despite the crew's dislike of the plane, the SB2C was in fact the most successful dive bomber on the American side, in terms of units killed. Also.The He111 for nothing more than it's historical value, as it was involved in many crucial instances.

[Denholm]

I was trying to start a fight...no one would bite.  Guess my hook is rusty and my bait is dead.

We smelled your dirty hand on the worm.