Man kills pit bull who attacks his wife & dogs

[mensa180]

My sister has a Pitbull/lab mix.  It is a very nice dog, and is happy to let any member of our family play or pet him.

However it was shown he was amazingly defensive as well.  This time last year my sister and her boyfriend were out at a party and someone broke into the house...bad decision.  They got home to an amazing amount of blood, just everywhere.  The floors were red, the walls had bloody hand prints. 

Apparently Jasper (dog) had bit the hell outta the guy, while the guy stabbed Jasper in the shoulder.  They found Jasper crying under the bed and bleeding profusely from his shoulder when they got home.  He went to the vet and healed fine, but is a little more edgy now and very afraid the of window where the burglar crashed through to get out of the house from.  They guessed that because there was a huge bloody trail leading to the window and then out of it, with a mess of paw and foot prints along the way.

Jasper may have been hurt, and apparently psychologically damaged (he is regaining normalcy slowly though) but the guy certainly didn't get off easy and will have hopefully learned not to break into peoples' homes.

[dkff49]

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[1pLUs44]

My little town has banned pittbulls in the city limits after one attacked a mail carrier. I've hated those things with a passion ever since my sisters killed my Red Bone coon hound puppy. Alot of young adults want these pittbulls because they think they're "cool". I personally would like to see a huntin' season on them.

+1, vicious dogs, I hate those things. A friend used to have it, till it attacked him, he just shot it, got a Labrador, and forgot about the pitbull, still tells me he'll never get another one in his life. Damn things are worthless, can't use em for huntin, can't trust 'em enough to guard something, they'll accidentailly attack you, can't use em to guard livestock. Tells you what generations of inbreeding will do to ya.

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some of you are just down right ignorant.
did you try to read any of the posts or read up on any thing about those dogs? no of course not you already know that they are vicious animals and should all be killed.

ya lets kill all of them, because some owners allow there dogs to rule them and not the other way around,

its ignorance like this, that had men put a bounty on the Bald Eagle, and basically killed every wolf in this country, and grizzly...

whats the point... you cant fix stupid.

[Elfie]

Any dog kept as a pet absolutely MUST know who the Alpha Male/Female in the pack is. And it can not be the dog, ever. It's when (in the dogs view) the dog is the Alpha male/female that trouble begins. To many owners are to lazy to make sure their pet understands it's place in the pack, and make no mistake, in the dog's view, his owner and family are his pack. A dog that properly understands his place in the pack will be eager to please and thus, easily trained. A trained dog is a polite dog and is a joy to have as a member of the family. A dog that does not understand his proper place in the pack will have little to no desire to please and will be difficult if not impossible to train. This dog will be a nuisance and will be likely to growl, bite or in extreme cases even kill when it becomes annoyed.

I've had dogs most of my adult life. I can (and have) trained them to sit when their food bowl is put down and they don't move until the release command is given. I could even leave the house and the dogs wouldn't move to eat. How is that possible? Simple really, the dog understands that no matter how long he is made to wait, that he WILL eventually get his food. His reward for waiting obediently is his meal. That goes against all the dogs instincts, it is hungry and food is in front of it and yet he waits obediently until the pack leader allows him to eat. Years ago I knew a woman that had trained her dog to sit still with a piece of raw meat laying on it's muzzle. Poor dog would be salivating heavily and darn near cross eyed while staring at that piece of meat and yet he would not move a muscle to try to eat it until she told him it was ok.

Any dog can be aggressive and some breeds are more prone to it than others. Training your dog is an act of love towards that animal. With training he/she knows exactly what is expected of him/her, what behaviors are acceptable and which ones are not. A trained dog will react immediately to it's masters voice commands (and hand signals as well). A trained dog, regardless of breed, poses no threat to it's owners or any other human being.

There are no bad dogs in this world, but there are many bad owners. Much like our human children are a reflection of their parents, our dogs are a reflection of their owners.

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Any dog kept as a pet absolutely MUST know who the Alpha Male/Female in the pack is. And it can not be the dog, ever. It's when (in the dogs view) the dog is the Alpha male/female that trouble begins. To many owners are to lazy to make sure their pet understands it's place in the pack, and make no mistake, in the dog's view, his owner and family are his pack. A dog that properly understands his place in the pack will be eager to please and thus, easily trained. A trained dog is a polite dog and is a joy to have as a member of the family. A dog that does not understand his proper place in the pack will have little to no desire to please and will be difficult if not impossible to train. This dog will be a nuisance and will be likely to growl, bite or in extreme cases even kill when it becomes annoyed.

I've had dogs most of my adult life. I can (and have) trained them to sit when their food bowl is put down and they don't move until the release command is given. I could even leave the house and the dogs wouldn't move to eat. How is that possible? Simple really, the dog understands that no matter how long he is made to wait, that he WILL eventually get his food. His reward for waiting obediently is his meal. That goes against all the dogs instincts, it is hungry and food is in front of it and yet he waits obediently until the pack leader allows him to eat. Years ago I knew a woman that had trained her dog to sit still with a piece of raw meat laying on it's muzzle. Poor dog would be salivating heavily and darn near cross eyed while staring at that piece of meat and yet he would not move a muscle to try to eat it until she told him it was ok.

Any dog can be aggressive and some breeds are more prone to it than others. Training your dog is an act of love towards that animal. With training he/she knows exactly what is expected of him/her, what behaviors are acceptable and which ones are not. A trained dog will react immediately to it's masters voice commands (and hand signals as well). A trained dog, regardless of breed, poses no threat to it's owners or any other human being.

There are no bad dogs in this world, but there are many bad owners. Much like our human children are a reflection of their parents, our dogs are a reflection of their owners.

frigging spot on

my female APBT, at 10 weeks old would drop anything in her mouth that I told her too"leave it", would go pee on command, could close my fridge door or cupboard doors,  she was very easy to train, by far the smartest dog I have ever met.
but damn she was a vicious "pittbull" I guess I shoulda just killed her when she was born.

[1pLUs44]

frigging spot on

my female APBT, at 10 weeks old would drop anything in her mouth that I told her too"leave it", would go pee on command, could close my fridge door or cupboard doors,  she was very easy to train, by far the smartest dog I have ever met.
but damn she was a vicious "pittbull" I guess I shoulda just killed her when she was born.

The reputation those dogs carry is why they should be outlawed. Some old lady was killed by 2 pitbulls a while back not even 10 miles from my house. The "exceptions" don't outweigh the risks sadly.

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The reputation those dogs carry is why they should be outlawed. Some old lady was killed by 2 pitbulls a while back not even 10 miles from my house. The "exceptions" don't outweigh the risks sadly.

I hate to say it AGAIN, but I highly Doubt it was a "pittbull" just because the papers call them "Pittbulls" don't make them so. and just because the "owner" says they are "pitts" don't make them so ether.

NO one species of Dog should be outlawed, by your reasoning the "risks",

well then we need to outlaw, Cars, alcohol, cigarettes, Planes, Guns, boats,knives, bikes, Food also.......

[dentin]

Someone in this thread characterized his/her nature as that of a "bottom line type of person"...I can certainly relate to that, so here's mine:

In addition to requiring Dog owners to license their Dogs, perhaps the Dog owners should be licensed, via a requirement to attend "doggy school..then an exam. This may not eliminate the "dog attack" problem, but I'm pretty sure it'll decrease the frequency...imho.

[Dago]

I have been in this argument many times, "it's the dog,  no, it's the owner".

What a bunch of BS.

The dogs classified as "Pit Bulls" have a terrible record of attacking, and sometimes killing other dogs, children, and full grown adults.

I don't accept it is always "the owner".    The dogs have an inbred tendency to attack, and the strength and stubbornness to do incredible damage when they do attack.

If they were outlawed it wouldn't break my heart, and it would save a lot of lives.

To accept it's always the owner is to say the majority of owners are vicious stupid people.  Certainly not all owners of Pit Bulls are stupid or vicious. 

I do actually believe there is a tendency in stupid vicious people to own pit bulls, if they owned Golden Retrievers instead, I don't think the Goldens would be attacking at the rate Pit Bulls do.

[Cougar68]

ISimple really, the dog understands that no matter how long he is made to wait, that he WILL eventually get his food. His reward for waiting obediently is his meal. That goes against all the dogs instincts, it is hungry and food is in front of it and yet he waits obediently until the pack leader allows him to eat.

You're close, but a bit wrong.  Waiting for their food actually goes WITH the instincts the dog has already.  Alpha eats first and controls access to the food, it's natural.  Makng them wait just enhances an already engrained instinct.  

Good training can help control a dog and make it a valuable member of the family.  Training cannot, however, change what a dog is.  I use this example whenever this topic comes up, but it still remains valid.  I share my home with two rough collies and a border collie, herding dogs.  Two are trained for agility, one is a rehab from an abusive owner.  I'm alpha and just raising my voice will make the dog it's directed at drop its ears, even though I've never raised a hand to any of them.  I reinforce my alpha status daily in subtle ways.  I had my border collie off leash in the front yard when she spotted a squirrel.  She was off like a dart and in the middle of a dead run.  All I had to do was holler out "wait" and she stopped dead in her tracks and waited for the next command.  The biggest thing for me is that I can lay my full dinner plate on the couch and walk out of the room and they won't even give it a second look.  

So I'm alpha, and I'm in control of pack.  But my dogs are herders.  They're bred to round things up into tight little circles.  And they do it well!  We had a get together once and had lots of people in the back yard along with their kids.  The kids started getting a little rowdy and that's when I noticed what my dogs were doing.  They were very discreetly walking in circles around the kids and getting them closer and closer in a group.  It was hysterical to watch.  Within a few minutes the kids were back with their parents and had no idea what had just happened.  They've done it several times now but I don't let them finish.  As soon as I catch what they're doing I have them go do something else.  It's what they're bred to do, and while I can control it, I cannot eliminate it's presence.

A dog's status in it's pack is forever fluent.  My top dog has changed three times in the last year alone.  And sometimes the top dog gets a little big for his/her britches and decides to see if they can take my spot.  It's usually very subtle.  Sitting in my position on the couch to see if I will move somewhere else, forcing their way through a door before me, not giving way when I walk through, etc.  But sometimes it takes on a more aggressive tone.  A soft growl when I make them move or a bark when I tell them to do something.  Each time I rebuff it and reassert my place in the pack.  

Alright, so on to pit bulls.  First, their absolutely IS a pit bull breed.  Are there several variations?  yes  Are they a standardized breed?  no  But they still exist.  The people that buy them know what they are and what they're bred for.  It's like defining pornography.  The people that look for it know what it is.  

The pit bulls that we're talking about are bred for fighting, hands down.  Always have been, always will.  They're bred with an instinct to kill.  No matter what the training the instinct is still there.  You may think it's under control, and it may be.  But all it takes is being wrong ONE time and lives change.  And what happens when this type of dog tries to elevate it's position in the pack?  If it get a little touchy ONE time, lives change.

People say they need these dogs because they're great with families and excellent for protection.  That can be said about virtually any large dog.  Dogs in general are protective of their pack members.  There is not a doubt in my mind that if there is in intruder in my house my cute and fluffy herding dogs will be relentless in their pursuit.  And yet when their instincts pop up all that happens is parents get their kids back.  So why the need for owning this type of animal?  I believe it boils down to machismo.  I've yet to talk to an owner of a pit bull that doesn't gloat about how big and strong their dog is.  Let me stress that, I've NEVER talked to a pit bull owner that hasn't gloated about their dogs power.  And I've met lots of owners in my lifetime.  Owning a dog that is bred to kill is the same as leaving a loaded weapon on the coffee table.  You can train your children on how that weapon will kill them every day.  They may very well go through their entire life without having it go off and kill someone.  But if they're wrong ONE time, lives change.  That in and of itself should be enough to make people look for another breed.  

[dkff49]

here are some interesting facts about pit bulls

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2.) Although there are no accurate or even near accurate census records for dogs in the U.S., in some populations pit bulls are estimated to comprise some 30-40% of the dog population, making it a very popular breed. Considering that there were an estimated 53,000,000 dogs in the U.S., and assuming that pit bulls make up 10% of that population, there would be approximately 5.3 million pit bulls in our society. In 2000, 13 pit bulls were involved in 8 fatal attacks. That is roughly ONE dog out of 204,000 - or .000385 percent of the pit bull population.

wow these are un-trustworthy animals that need to be exterminated.

9.) Every year, more than 2,000 children in the U.S. are killed by their parents or guardians either through abuse or neglect. A child is more than 800 times more likely to be killed by their adult caretaker than by a pit bull.

ok now we need a rule that says parents can't raise their own children too

5.) Approximately 50 children in the US are killed every year by their cribs - 25 times the number of children and adults killed by pit bulls.

outlaw those nasty cribs whie we are at it too

not really trying to be a smart arse here but there are things out there will be more likely to hurt or kill you than a pit bull. some of them others have already mentioned like guns, cars, planes, or even the food in your refrigerator

ANY dog can attack and be considered vicious when not trained or raised properly and I know several families you have pit bulls because they like the demeanor and the energy these dogs have not to mention the dedication these dogs have for their owners. I have talked to very few people you have these dogs because of their ability to harm somebody however if you have the opposite experience then perhaps you have been hanging with the crowd of people who should not have any dog.

[Cougar68]

While you're throwing around stats, how about adding in the people that were bitten and/or maimed and not just killed. 

[Elfie]

They're bred with an instinct to kill.  No matter what the training the instinct is still there.

Every dog has an instinct to kill, they are domesticated predators.

You're close, but a bit wrong.  Waiting for their food actually goes WITH the instincts the dog has already.  Alpha eats first and controls access to the food, it's natural.  Makng them wait just enhances an already engrained instinct. 

His instinct isn't to wait, it's to obey the pack leader. He is hungry and desires food, but obeys his pack leader. This is evident during the early training sessions when the pup attempts to go for his food instead of waiting. The waiting must be taught, things that must be taught are not instinctive.

[dkff49]

While you're throwing around stats, how about adding in the people that were bitten and/or maimed and not just killed. 

by this comment I guess you don't drive cars, or have children, or bathe either right.