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[Reschke]

Hey TilDeath check your email. I need an price quote on some stuff for the future to know what I am looking at if you guys build it for me.

[drdeathx]

See Rule #4 (if you cannot express yourself without making derogatory remarks to others, then stop posting)

[Fulmar]

See Rule #4

It depends on his budget.  If he was willing to spend $1500+ on his first post, why are we setting the bar lower for him?

[TilDeath]

See Rule #4

Newegg is not the best place to get processors.  Microcenter is the best place for processors and it looks like they raised the price 10 bucs since yesterday http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0300438  An E8400 will run circles around the Phenom II at 50 or more dollars less.

There is not that much of a markup on computer parts and when newegg offers rebates it is often less then my cost for an item.  NewEgg gets flooded with monies from the vendors for rebates and I cant blame the makers for doing so.  For instance EVGA's X58 mb on Newegg is 299.99, my cost from the distributors is 296.00 plus shipping.  Where I make my monies is in my building expertise, power supplies (newegg has high PSU pricing) and for the better memory and some cases too.

Your input is from reading, I have hands on experience with the items I propose in a build, the actual items not I have a &^$&@$ Card and it works for me so the *@$@&# card should work for you.  It is not like that.  A build as I have told you before is having the right components for each build some work better with some components while others work better with different components. 

Yes I quote "Benchmarking" because all the reviews you read show numbers "Benchmarks" meaning how well a component and or a system perform.  Benchmarks are important since they directly relate to how well a system will perform tasks, the higher the benchmark the faster the system is overall.  The original poster showed a system at over 1500.00 I posted a system that will outperform it for a few hundred dollars less with better components, therefor a better, faster, more stable system. 

Dr D some of us posting here are actually experienced in building systems and some build more in a week then you have your whole life.  We belong to trade groups and continuing education programs for our industry to be able to keep up with the technology and make sensable recommendations to our clients and future customers.  Not to mention the larger sites making reviews of items whom are also advertisers, they have no choice but to give a semi favorable review to continue the advertising dollars coming in.

[Reschke]

Having worked in a computer shop as a builder and then as the sales manager and built hundreds of systems I can attest to the fact you swap ideas around, build your own test rigs, mess with hundred's of different configurations on repairs, see things inside a computer that will make you want to wear a positive pressure decontamination suit, etc... So I can agree with what TD is talking about. I can also see with Dr D was saying as well since as a sales person in the same computer store I was willing to put myself into the customers shoes to try something they talked about. Usually with ok but not spectacular results.

Now with that said I asked TD to get me a quote today. He came back and said...nope can't beat Newegg on those prices for the components as a system. I don't OC anything unless I want to see how far I can go before I fry something crucial...(just my luck on a system & I learned from it back in the early Celeron days). Anyway I got some useful ideas and am investigating them now. Bottom line....do whatever you want to do and make it work for you. Me I am kind of tired of building my own systems and having to screw with it when or if something fails (usually just after warranty expiration).

Here is what I asked him for:

Thermaltake ArmorPlus(Armor+) VH6000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
Model #:VH6000BWS

Thermaltake W0106RU 700W Complies with ATX 12V 2.2 & EPS 12V version SLI Certified 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
Model #:W0106RU

EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Model #:132-BL-E758-A1

EVGA 896-P3-1255-AR GeForce GTX 260 Core 216 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Model #:896-P3-1255-AR

Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
Model #:BX80601920

OCZ XMP Ready Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3X1600LV6GK - Retail
Model #:OCZ3X1600LV6GK

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31000333AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Model #:ST31000333AS

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional 70SB088600002 7.1 Channels PCI Express Interface Sound Card - Retail
Model #:70SB088600002

Total price on Newegg for this is $1660 + shipping without the OS.

[TequilaChaser]

the Intel will still out perform the AMD even though the speed is slower.

if you don't mind could you clarify this statement? do you mean the posted processor speed as in like Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz while AMD Phenom II 940 = 3.0 ghz?

btw... how easy can one push an Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz, on aircooled? 

quiet a few ( multiple hundreds/thousand ) people on different sites have posted results of 3.6ghz to 3.8ghz ( a few at 4.00ghz ) on the Phenom II 940 and running very stable and cool ( under 50C ) using only Air Cooled Cases .... ( is an estimated guess on the numbers, from reviewing ASUS , NewEgg, AMD and Ati, as well as other messageboards and individual PC online magizine sites / reviews )

I do not get where you say the new Phenom II's

well its Overclocking ability is summed up like this "they OC like a rock trying to float"

have you built any Computers utilizing the new Phenom II 940 chip?

I think if one matches their components up properly ( regardless if Intel or AMD ) which are listed by the manufactuer's of the Processors & Motherboards, then bout the only way a system could not produce what the individual is looking for would come from Builder Error ( read as I D 10 T ERROR )

[TilDeath]

if you don't mind could you clarify this statement? do you mean the posted processor speed as in like Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz while AMD Phenom II 940 = 3.0 ghz?

Yes in benchmarking programs (FutureMark Vantage) the 920 scores better

btw... how easy can one push an Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz, on aircooled? 

I have two clients with the 920 running at 3.8 on air.  If you look here EVGA has them at 4.5 on air. Here is the step by step guide http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=642527&mpage=1&key=&#642527

quiet a few ( multiple hundreds/thousand ) people on different sites have posted results of 3.6ghz to 3.8ghz ( a few at 4.00ghz ) on the Phenom II 940 and running very stable and cool ( under 50C ) using only Air Cooled Cases .... ( is an estimated guess on the numbers, from reviewing ASUS , NewEgg, AMD and Ati, as well as other messageboards and individual PC online magizine sites / reviews )

Put an Intel at the same speed and same components and it will still way out preform the Phenom II.

I do not get where you say the new Phenom II's have you built any Computers utilizing the new Phenom II 940 chip?

Myself none, but 2 of the guys that work with me have build 10 or 12 with chips direct from AMD and seen the builds and we all agree they are not what they are made out to be.

Not everyone builds from the Qualified vendors (components) list.  If they did then there would be no need for Vendors selling other parts like a 1200 watt PSU, you will not find them on QVL but they are sold, 2000 FSB memory is sold but it also is not on the QVL but the motherboard makers show FSB up to 2000 OC.  The reason being is that most gamers, ones that play multiple games overclock their system in some sort of fashion for better frame rates, smoother gaming, or just because they can.  They look for MB and Processors that are friendly to OCing and OC well.  Check out the real overclocking forums out there and look the the posters and moderator signatures, you will see very few AMD listed.  Mostly, E8400 160 dollar chip clocks to 4GHz easily, Q6600 in the high 3GHz.  Heck check my signature and Q9450 at 3.9 and 24/7.  If you want a stock box get a Dell you want to Game build it or have it built.  I also prefer Quality over Price anyday

[Fulmar]

It's gettin' hot in here with all these fan bois 

[TequilaChaser]

It's gettin' hot in here with all these fan bois 

 , not sure who you refering to, Fulmar, I was actualy trying to post in a non-biased way to shun off any fanbois 

I made no claims, only refered to posts I have seen & read.......

[drdeathx]

if you don't mind could you clarify this statement? do you mean the posted processor speed as in like Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz while AMD Phenom II 940 = 3.0 ghz?

btw... how easy can one push an Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz, on aircooled? 

quiet a few ( multiple hundreds/thousand ) people on different sites have posted results of 3.6ghz to 3.8ghz ( a few at 4.00ghz ) on the Phenom II 940 and running very stable and cool ( under 50C ) using only Air Cooled Cases .... ( is an estimated guess on the numbers, from reviewing ASUS , NewEgg, AMD and Ati, as well as other messageboards and individual PC online magizine sites / reviews )

I do not get where you say the new Phenom II's have you built any Computers utilizing the new Phenom II 940 chip?

I think if one matches their components up properly ( regardless if Intel or AMD ) which are listed by the manufactuer's of the Processors & Motherboards, then bout the only way a system could not produce what the individual is looking for would come from Builder Error ( read as I D 10 T ERROR )

While the AMD PHENOM II works on Socket AM2+ platform, Intel has upgraded its CPU socket to the LGA1366 format(Socket 1366). Clock speed do not necessarily equate to better performance. The Intel i7 series is simply better technology and benchmarks much higher than the last generation of Intel quad cores and the AMD PHENOM II. AMD will introduce the Phenom II or the next generation to Socket AM3+ platform very soon and it will be very interesting to see how it performs. They may give Intel a run for the money! The Phenom II can be overclocked to appr. 3.5 ghz while the i7 920 can be overclocked to about the same(Some people are saying they are getting 4.0G from air cooled from both). Both can be clocked higher with third party coolers and higher chipset voltage boosts. As in earlier reply, the Phenom II is rated equal to the Q9400 but does not compare to the i7 920. Tildeath is somewhat correct, the i7 is much better performance but performance and quality have 2 different definitions. You will pay for performance for sure but that does not make the Phenom worse quality.


Socket AM2 + platform only supports DDR2 but it is a rather inexpensive upgrade to just a better processor while the i7 series requires a new motherboard(Which starts at $200) and DDR3 which adds to the cost. DDR3 runs at higher clock frequencies while drawing less power than DDR2 memory however, it also has higher latencies, and is currently somewhat more expensive. Users of Socket AM2 motherboards will be able to upgrade to AM3 processors, without replacing the motherboard or memory. Socket AM3+ will work with either DDR2 or DDR3.