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Re: Arena split
« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2009, 04:48:34 PM »
I do see Hitechs point on why we have three sides. Thanks for pulling that up Murdr.


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Re: Arena split
« Reply #46 on: January 14, 2009, 05:07:54 PM »
While there are many reasons for this, and everyone not flying in AvA (like me for example) has his own weighted combination of them, I'd guess one of the major ones you have stated yourself: "If only numbers were up par". Numbers generate numbers. Once an arena goes below a certain level, a vicious circle starts. Smaller numbers on login screen will result in even less number of players logging in. If all those players not flying AvA just because of low numbers would log in - the numbers might be actually surprisingly high ;)

Very true.  I think you see it now with the early- and mid-war arenas as well.  No one wants to be the first.  The odd thing is that most people who fly there will tell you that AvA and mid-war arenas have some of the very highest quality fights.  You really don't need 100 people to have a great place to fly.

I think the biggest two problems with plane-limited arenas are (a) too many people refuse to fly in an arena where their favorite plane is not enabled; and (b) too many squadrons are wedded to one plane type.  To make it worse, typically these planes will be 1945 fighters.  The result, over time, is that the vast majority of people will gravitate to an arena that has 1945 fighters.

Parenthetically, my memory disagrees with Lusche's.  When HTC first enabled the arena split there were no early- or mid-war planes enabled in the late war arenas, which made sense.  HTC gave in too quickly, in my opinion, to the people who still wanted to show off by shooting down Spit 16s in Spit Is.  The exodus from early- and mid-war arenas began then, and neither has ever recovered.  It was the one thing about the arena split that I thought was a mistake.

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Re: Arena split
« Reply #47 on: January 14, 2009, 05:15:22 PM »
Parenthetically, my memory disagrees with Lusche's.  When HTC first enabled the arena split there were no early- or mid-war planes enabled in the late war arenas, which made sense.  HTC gave in too quickly, in my opinion, to the people who still wanted to show off by shooting down Spit 16s in Spit Is.  The exodus from early- and mid-war arenas began then, and neither has ever recovered. 

That almost reads as if the enabling of EW planes in LW lead to the mass exodus... but people went LW to fly LW planes and drive LW tanks. (I think the latter one is easily forgotten, but can't be overestimated). There are actually very few players flying pure  EW planes in LW
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #48 on: January 14, 2009, 05:15:50 PM »


Parenthetically, my memory disagrees with Lusche's.  When HTC first enabled the arena split there were no early- or mid-war planes enabled in the late war arenas, which made sense.  HTC gave in too quickly, in my opinion, to the people who still wanted to show off by shooting down Spit 16s in Spit Is.  The exodus from early- and mid-war arenas began then, and neither has ever recovered.  It was the one thing about the arena split that I thought was a mistake.

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i started game 6 months...or there about before the split happened, adn even though i was still a noob (and some consider me one still...) I seem to remember EW birds enabled at start of split. not sure why, but i do...could also be that I was a noob and didnt soak up much things of the game.
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2009, 05:16:25 PM »
Oldman,

I think one reason why the earlier planes were re-enabled in the LW arenas was because there were times where ENY restrictions were eliminating everything but C-47s.
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2009, 05:19:50 PM »
Ooooh let's not even get into ENY. :D
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2009, 07:07:24 PM »
What about a couple of expanded smaller arenas say 20 or 30 cap and a door policy a bit like the old H2H people tended
too go too the rooms where they knew they could get what they wanted from the game whatever that was and idiots
got the boot pretty quickly by who ever was in charge of the arena.

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Re: Arena split
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2009, 09:38:35 PM »
For one a lot fewer people would want to fly as Japan in a PTO Axis vs. Allied arena.

I'll GLADLY humble folks while in a Ki-61.    Go ahead and turn, I'll at the minimum, turn with you.    Go ahead, dive, I'll be right on your 6 and retaining E just as well.    Go ahead and climb, I'm often at speed when climbing, so I'm 90% of the time, misjudged for "E".   

I'll say it again, the Ki-61 is the most UNDERRATED plane in our plane set.   I'm grateful for others' arrogance (Not directed at you in particular, it's just that the majority see "Easy kill", they're more often than not, in the tower). 
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2009, 09:56:47 PM »
I'll GLADLY humble folks while in a Ki-61.    Go ahead and turn, I'll at the minimum, turn with you.    Go ahead, dive, I'll be right on your 6 and retaining E just as well.    Go ahead and climb, I'm often at speed when climbing, so I'm 90% of the time, misjudged for "E".   

I'll say it again, the Ki-61 is the most UNDERRATED plane in our plane set.   I'm grateful for others' arrogance (Not directed at you in particular, it's just that the majority see "Easy kill", they're more often than not, in the tower). 

It doesn't disprove my point, tho. PTO Axis would be short-handed precisely because so many people DO have those misconceptions about the plane set.
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #54 on: January 14, 2009, 10:02:19 PM »
I think it's all academic since HTC has made it clear that the 3 country MA format is the way to go.  Even back in AW, AvA configuration had a loyal, but small following compared to the other arenas.

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Re: Arena split
« Reply #55 on: January 14, 2009, 10:04:13 PM »
It doesn't disprove my point, tho. PTO Axis would be short-handed precisely because so many people DO have those misconceptions about the plane set.

Good.   It'd mean I'd have more fights.   It'd be a change from the panty-waist "fights" we have now.   

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Re: Arena split
« Reply #56 on: January 14, 2009, 10:06:11 PM »
I think it's all academic since HTC has made it clear that the 3 country MA format is the way to go.  Even back in AW, AvA configuration had a loyal, but small following compared to the other arenas.

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Re: Arena split
« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2009, 11:17:39 AM »
OK How about a PTO with Axis/ Allies/ and Rabid Pigmies?
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2009, 11:41:20 AM »
would love to see a PTO arena but have the same feeling Saxman has. There would be 20 USN & USMC Squads looking for the few that do fly Japanese aircraft.
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Re: Arena split
« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2009, 11:50:41 AM »
Wow, talk about a sucessful hijack.  The OP said
and of course retain the 3 country set-up.