How about this?

[frank3]

And your point is Frank3? 

No point, and no pun intended 
There are already too many people undermining the wishes, don't want to be one of them!

[swareiam]

Deck guns were, if I recall correctly, 3 inches.  Most certainly not 8 inches.

Hey Karnak,

No 8" deck guns huh??? Well, how about this one...

Now, there is a vicious leviathan for yah!!! 

[vonKrimm]

Hey Karnak,

No 8" deck guns huh??? Well, how about this one...

Now, there is a vicious leviathan for yah!!! 

Surcouf, NN3 (FRA): Sunk en route to Tahiti by an a American freighter February 1942.

[swareiam]

5" were standard on South Dakota class which I believe is what was in that picture.

My father is a plank owner of this boat.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0833704.jpg

HiTech

HiTech,

Thanks for chiming in on this one. I know that this would take a bit of development time. But, it really would add another element of play and history to the game.
It would also open the door for new aircraft types that wouldn't become instant hanger queens without a mission, i.e. PBY-5 Catalina, FW-200 Condor, and
the Short Sunderland.

Hey, for all we know you already have it ready and you were going to surprise us... 

Here is another addition to the idea list, from the deck of the DD only. Players would hear the sound of the SONAR ping as the proximity of the sub changes in
relationship to the fleet. There would be no visual map indication of the subs location. 

This is getting more fun every minute. 

Cheers...

 

[swareiam]

How about allowing players to submerge anytime, but have the battery charge modeled so that with x-minutes of submerged propulsion, the sub would surface to re-charge the batts.
The idea of controlling the dive planes and buoyancy tanks sounds cool. "10 degree down bubble number 1"

Also, I like the idea of being able to fire my own torpedos on bearings I choose.

And, maybe at a certain depth (say surface to 40ft), you could see a kind of a shadow from the air to indicate a u-boot was down there. Deeper, no indication.

And while we're at it, how about coastal patrol planes and boats that can pick up downed aviators, hence awarding the rescuers points and preserving the points for the downed flyer. Or allow the sub to do that!

Shark,

Now, that's the spirit... I like the way you think. 

[swareiam]

Surcouf, NN3 (FRA): Sunk en route to Tahiti by an a American freighter February 1942.

Yep, It's a good thing Aces High came along some years later so they could re-up... 

 

[swareiam]

How about allowing players to submerge anytime, but have the battery charge modeled so that with x-minutes of submerged propulsion, the sub would surface to re-charge the batts.
The idea of controlling the dive planes and buoyancy tanks sounds cool. "10 degree down bubble number 1"

Also, I like the idea of being able to fire my own torpedos on bearings I choose.

And, maybe at a certain depth (say surface to 40ft), you could see a kind of a shadow from the air to indicate a u-boot was down there. Deeper, no indication.

And while we're at it, how about coastal patrol planes and boats that can pick up downed aviators, hence awarding the rescuers points and preserving the points for the downed flyer. Or allow the sub to do that!

Or even better yet... This is not only a way to pick up points as in a base resupply. Let's say for x number of rescues the ENY value comes down for your side. Something like that.

[Lye-El]

Surcouf, NN3 (FRA): Sunk en route to Tahiti by an a American freighter February 1942.

I think we need the freighter rather than the sub.

[Strip]

      Dont see the big fuss about battery power and limiting duration submerged. Even in WW2 most battery power was measured in hours at normal submerged manuevering speed. The real issue is setting up your attack and preparing to fire the torpedoes. Anyone whos played Silent Hunter (dedicated submarine game) can attest to this. The fleet sails fast enough to outrun (submerged or surfaced) every submarine built at the time. Underwater the best most subs could manage was 10 knots and generated a ton of noise doing so. Depending on how you setup the detection system you would add alot of extras to make it seem worth while. Hydrophones, radar (surface), magnetic detectors, sonar and good ole fashioned eyeballs were all used. They used many different torpedoes and had several different ways to explode the warheads. Dont forget most of the submarines targets were merchant shipping and not warships.

[frank3]

Even on the surface, the typical U-Boat would only do around 18 knots tops. I can already hear the CV saying 'eat my wake'

[swareiam]

Even on the surface, the typical U-Boat would only do around 18 knots tops. I can already hear the CV saying 'eat my wake'

I hadn't really planned for the Subs to be steerable and free reigning.  What do you guys think about that? There would definitely need to be rules governing it use around port facilities. Camped in the right spot would suck for the other side. But again that would be history...

[Karnak]

How about the Japanese subs that carried a couple of aircraft?

[Nemisis]

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5. It will fire one torpedo within each 15 minutes of contact from within 3000 yards.
6. The shots will be randomly fired and not Match barrings, set and shoot on a pinpointed target.
7. Subs would have randomly programmed patrol routes and not allowed to operate as packs or stay on station.

Well, what do you think?

First off I think you should at least have it so you can control it like a fleet. It would get a little annoying if it just went in random paterns, and you can't even control where it goes.
Second, you should be able to control when it fires and controll it's heading within a range of like 45 degrees so you can better aim the torp