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Offline palef

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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2009, 04:36:02 AM »
I see your point, but at the same time I think they can model any prop-driven gun-armed plane pretty easily. And the Ta152 and SpitXIV have already given us a taste of what flying with a rotary engine would be like...

A rotary engine spins around its crank. The propeller is simply bolted on the front. They run a total loss lubrication system, which is why googles and scarves were de riguer and why a lot of WW1 pilots looked deathly ill, pale, and skinny in photos. The lubricant was castor oil and it was flung all over the pilot. Castor oil is an excellent laxative.

The 152 has an inverted V12.

The Spit XIV is a V12 also, but up the "right" way.

Unlike a rotary engine they don't spin around, they have reduction gear on the end of the crank to drive the propellor.

A radial engine has its barrels radiating out perpendicular to the crank and looks superficially similar to a rotary engine, but it has reduction gear to drive the propeller and doesn't spin around. Imagine the torque reaction from something like an R2800 spinning at 2200rpm.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2009, 05:50:29 AM »
I still say they should add the Swordfish and the Gladiator first and see how well they can be modeled, before they jump into the WWI planeset.

Since I believe they had a hand in the original Dawn of Aces, I think that question has already been answered.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2009, 08:36:54 AM »
Since I believe they had a hand in the original Dawn of Aces, I think that question has already been answered.

They'd better do a better job with dispersion this time to make a WW1 arena viable.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2009, 09:34:29 AM »
What kind of data exists on WW.I Scouts/Fighters  performance?

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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2009, 10:17:17 AM »
Did someone overhear something  at the con about "garage projects"  :)

I suspect they have at least 3 planes ready. Would need a Verdun type terrain with a few minor changes for WWI.
More puffy AA (artillery type) few or no 20-40mm exploding rounds AA.  Bit of no mans land, with shell holes, barbed wire, etc.

Would love to see guns jam if fired for too long of bursts, or under G load, but should be clearable by pressing a key to cycle the action.

Also ideally very limited icons. Perhaps as little as just a country indicator.

Considering that HT has already done it once, I really don't think it would take him long.

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2009, 10:19:41 AM »
They already said it was just a poll. Read nothing into it.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2009, 10:25:21 AM »
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2009, 11:26:37 AM »
I don't get it.  Those two engines are almost totaly different.

Moot, I was making a little joke about the instability of those two aircraft in AHII. Apparently I must stick  :) :lol ;) :D next to all such comments or risk lectures from people under the impression I don't know the difference between a Clerget and a Gryphon.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2009, 12:49:22 PM »
It sure sounded like you didn't. Having spoken with a real Spit XIV pilot extensively, the torque reaction in AH is under-modeled. Full rudder at take off isn't something we need. Likewise the Lala. Typical recovery if you bounce on landing is to open the throttle. Doing that in a real La5 or 7 would flip the aircraft on its back.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2009, 01:20:57 PM »
I still say they should add the Swordfish and the Gladiator first and see how well they can be modeled, before they jump into the WWI planeset.

Diversity is badly needed.  Great addition to add biplanes. 
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2009, 01:32:43 PM »



It sure sounded like you didn't. Having spoken with a real Spit XIV pilot extensively, the torque reaction in AH is under-modeled.

So I've noticed. Lets hope the WWI planes get all the quirks and wrinkles modeled, there'd be no point if the Great War combat was just like flying under-powered and under-armed Hurri Mk1s.
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2009, 01:54:52 PM »
That was my main complaint about DoA, in both versions- it seemed like every plane had the same FM. Camels weren't as unstable as they should have been, while D.VIIs were TOO unstable, a SPAD and an Albatros seemed to have the exact same turn rate, the Albatros and the SE.5 had the same climb rate, etc.

Only real differences between planes were in the damage modelling of the various armaments- the Lewis was lethal, and the Spandau was like a BB gun.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2009, 02:32:10 PM »
maybe it has to do with a differant company thats making a ww1 flight sim pretty nice screen shots from what i saw   and they just wanted to see how much interest we all had in ww1.
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2009, 07:22:51 PM »
 I can only imagine what they have in the file cabinet over in the offices at HTC and besides you never know what is put out there for us to play with .
Also the folks in the flight sim biz all probably know each other or at the very least know of each other and co-operate with each other to some degree or another.
 And with other sims closing down maybe some openings in other places have gone into a new direction that we not in the trade so to speak are aware of .
 So I say bring it all on and lets have fun and enjoy what we can get .
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Re: I'm gonna straight up ask and get it over with...
« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2009, 07:31:08 AM »
That was my main complaint about DoA, in both versions- it seemed like every plane had the same FM. Camels weren't as unstable as they should have been, while D.VIIs were TOO unstable, a SPAD and an Albatros seemed to have the exact same turn rate, the Albatros and the SE.5 had the same climb rate, etc.

Only real differences between planes were in the damage modelling of the various armaments- the Lewis was lethal, and the Spandau was like a BB gun.
one of the main DoA trainers told me that the fms got stuffed up in an update and since #s were low ien were reluctant to fix it, nevertheless
it was always fun with a few people in there.

color photos from wwI are also rare so the skinners took some liberties
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