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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2009, 04:20:22 PM »
Quote from: bongaroo on January 28, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
So the moral of this thread is...we need the He-111 right?

Sorry...I thought it was "HEY, LOOK AT ME!!". :rolleyes:

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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2009, 04:23:48 PM »
I wonder what the useage stats are for the P39 now, after all there was such a clamour for it that it should be up in the top 5 of crates being used surely?....
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2009, 04:27:09 PM »
I've seen it included in many special events.  I'll even up one in the MAs every now and again when I'm looking for a challenge.
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2009, 04:41:37 PM »
Anax...let me get this straight....

The masses are "smart" when you are endorsing a popularity-based ENY system but "dumb" when asked to vote for new planes?  :devil
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2009, 04:44:01 PM »
Quote from: iTunes on January 28, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
I wonder what the useage stats are for the P39 now, after all there was such a clamour for it that it should be up in the top 5 of crates being used surely?....

In mid war it can be a very competitive bird, in the right hands. I know of a couple of folks with those hands and I virtually soil myself when I find them above me. :D

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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2009, 08:24:58 PM »
Quote from: iTunes on January 28, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
I wonder what the useage stats are for the P39 now, after all there was such a clamour for it that it should be up in the top 5 of crates being used surely?....

Come see us in AvA.  P-39 used a lot in the FinRus setup running this week.

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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2009, 05:07:38 AM »
Quote from: iTunes on January 28, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
I wonder what the useage stats are for the P39 now, after all there was such a clamour for it that it should be up in the top 5 of crates being used surely?....

Well, here are some recent (tour 107) "usage" (kills+deaths) stats compared to the respective arena top plane:

LWA
P-39D = 1145
P-39Q = 2396
P-51D = 78398

MWA
P-39D = 161
P-39Q = 293
P-38J = 6637

EWA
P-39D = 171
P-39Q = n/a
Hurri2c = 2328

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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2009, 08:02:03 AM »
Quote from: Boozeman on January 29, 2009, 05:07:38 AM
Well, here are some recent (tour 107) "usage" (kills+deaths) stats compared to the respective arena top plane:

LWA
P-39D = 1145
P-39Q = 2396
P-51D = 78398

MWA
P-39D = 161
P-39Q = 293
P-38J = 6637

EWA
P-39D = 171
P-39Q = n/a
Hurri2c = 2328

Apples and oranges.  Very few planes will be able to compete with the 51D (or Spits &c) in terms of use.

Let's look at something more comparable, for the same tour:

LWA
Bf 109E-4 = 48
C 202 = 43
F4F-4 = 249
FW 190A5 = 92 (there's a surprise)
P-38G = 123
P-40E = 190
Spit 9 = 110 (another surprise)

MWA
Bf 109E-4 = 49
C 202 = 77
F4F-4 = 295
FW 190A5 = 2231 (no surprise)
P-38G = 592
P-40E = 351
Spit 9 = 3499

EWA
Bf 109E-4 = 72
C 202 = 66
F4F-4 = 569
FW 190A5 = 142
P-38G = 210
P-40E = 273
Spit 9 = 167

Compared to these planes, the P-39 doesn't do so bad.

If HTC creates a new super plane, I'm sure it will get used as much as the 51Ds and Spit 16s and La7s, but the fact is that virtually all of the historically-operational super planes are already here.  Any new planes naturally will be used less than the hot rods, once the initial enthusiasm wears off.  The 39 has done well because - among its contemporaries - it's a fun plane to fly and fairly capable.

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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2009, 08:06:13 AM »
Quote from: Boozeman on January 27, 2009, 02:57:29 PM
The really funny thing about that vote was that in the final round almost 50% voted for the P-39, but ever since its introduction, only 5% fly it once in a while...

So next time, watch out for what you actually vote, you just might get it.  ;)

That is because the majority can be clueless at times.  If they knew what the p39 was only 5% would have voted for it.  But clueless went for the one with the cool name that was made here.  :rofl  We always give the good stuff to the Rusians don't we? lol
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2009, 08:19:58 AM »
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2009, 08:30:42 AM »
Quote from: BnZs on January 28, 2009, 04:41:37 PM
The masses are "smart" when you are endorsing a popularity-based ENY system but "dumb" when asked to vote for new planes?  :devil

I think the popularity-based ENY he's talked about would actually rely on the fact that the masses are somewhat "dumb".
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2009, 09:23:41 AM »
Quote from: bongaroo on January 29, 2009, 08:30:42 AM
I think the popularity-based ENY he's talked about would actually rely on the fact that the masses are somewhat "dumb".

BnZs just knows that I enjoy his cynical, cheap shots. :P

Anyway, I don't think the masses are dumb, far from it.  On the other hand, you might get me to admit that the majority here exhibit the natural human tendency to favor their own side's equipment, even if that means not having very diverse opposition.
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2009, 02:18:50 PM »
Quote from: Oldman731 on January 28, 2009, 08:24:58 PM
Come see us in AvA.  P-39 used a lot in the FinRus setup running this week.

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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2009, 03:23:53 PM »
I feel free to enter the correct numbers for LWA just behind yours. I think something went wrong during your research...
Also, some EW rides you quoted are actually perked...

Quote from: Oldman731 on January 29, 2009, 08:02:03 AM
Apples and oranges.  Very few planes will be able to compete with the 51D (or Spits &c) in terms of use.

Let's look at something more comparable, for the same tour:

LWA
Bf 109E-4 = 48 (736)
C 202 = 43 (1002)
F4F-4 = 249 (1309)
FW 190A5 = 92 (there's a surprise) well not really, actually its 7606
P-38G = 123 (2255)
P-40E = 190 (2788)
Spit 9 = 110 (another surprise) well, again, not really, actually its 16722

MWA
Bf 109E-4 = 49
C 202 = 77
F4F-4 = 295
FW 190A5 = 2231 (no surprise)
P-38G = 592
P-40E = 351
Spit 9 = 3499

EWA
Bf 109E-4 = 72
C 202 = 66
F4F-4 = 569
FW 190A5 = 142 perked
P-38G = 210 perked
P-40E = 273
Spit 9 = 167 perked

Compared to these planes, the P-39 doesn't do so bad.

If HTC creates a new super plane, I'm sure it will get used as much as the 51Ds and Spit 16s and La7s, but the fact is that virtually all of the historically-operational super planes are already here.  Any new planes naturally will be used less than the hot rods, once the initial enthusiasm wears off.  The 39 has done well because - among its contemporaries - it's a fun plane to fly and fairly capable.

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And it's really not apples and oranges. Fact is, the P-39s are, no matter in which of the regular arenas, among the least used planes. And, as I said before, this is very odd considering the amount of votes it got. And I strongly doubt that scenario and AvA usabillity was a driving force behind the votes. Most of the AH players do not participate in such events, yet those very same players did cast their votes.   

I can remember the euphoric mood here on this board just before its release. It was all about the mains...   
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Re: Proof aircraft polls are bad
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2009, 04:44:59 PM »
Quote from: Boozeman on January 29, 2009, 03:23:53 PM
I feel free to enter the correct numbers for LWA just behind yours. I think something went wrong during your research...
Also, some EW rides you quoted are actually perked...

And it's really not apples and oranges. Fact is, the P-39s are, no matter in which of the regular arenas, among the least used planes. And, as I said before, this is very odd considering the amount of votes it got. And I strongly doubt that scenario and AvA usabillity was a driving force behind the votes. Most of the AH players do not participate in such events, yet those very same players did cast their votes.   

I can remember the euphoric mood here on this board just before its release. It was all about the mains...   

Yikes!  Can't tell where I got those Late War stats from - odd, since I got it right for the other two arenas.

My point still stands, I think.  No new plane is likely to compete with the Spit-P-51D-La7-Nik crowd after the initial love affair.  Had the Yak 3 or G55 been selected, I don't expect that their usage would be much different from the P-39's.

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