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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2009, 02:33:11 AM »
LOL  who's the video game expert?
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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2009, 08:40:34 AM »
whats the big round things in the back of the Tiger?? and how thick are they?.... just wondering if hitting Fuel Oil or a pulley or Other useless part of the Engine would stop it from running just like umm all the other internall combustion engines of well EVER.


Just cuz the turrets were not blown 50ft into the air doesn't mean thy weren't knocked out

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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2009, 09:45:22 AM »
Smoke canisters?
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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2009, 02:03:39 PM »
2 things on the back of the tiger I's 2 long vertical cylinders in the middle...exhaust outlets.

2 "canisters" located on outter sides were air filters.

http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/quarters/4635/tanks/tiger1/tiger_501_rear.jpg
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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2009, 02:43:09 PM »
whats the big round things in the back of the Tiger?? and how thick are they?.... just wondering if hitting Fuel Oil or a pulley or Other useless part of the Engine would stop it from running just like umm all the other internall combustion engines of well EVER.


Just cuz the turrets were not blown 50ft into the air doesn't mean thy weren't knocked out
Repeating, in post battlefield inspections the British found that of all tanks knocked out by aircraft, two had been destroyed by 20mm cannon fire and all the rest by bombs or rockets.  Not a single tank was destroyed by heavy machine gun fire.
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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2009, 03:21:25 PM »
Well, the guy did it in real life is wrong. the armchair generals say so  :rolleyes:

It was a complte waste of time, even though it apparently was a teached tactic when dealing with armor..  but thats ok, the AH model has it right, 50,000 rounds of 50 cal wont even scratch a tiger..  after all, what do the people who did it in real life know anyway... pfft, very little compared to our panel of video game experts.   :aok


oh yea, from what ive read the tiger had 25mm of top armor, and 20mm of bottom armor... but dont let that get in the way of your assumptions.
Yes, the guys who thought they did it in real life were wrong.  Or they were never able to do it themselves, but "knew" it could happen because of stories of others.  Doesn't make them liars, if that is what you think we are calling them.  It just makes them mistaken.

So please tell me how a .50cal round, after losing energy by striking a solid object, deflecting upward and striking more than 3/4 inch of steel at an oblique angle can penetrate said steel.  That is your assumption, so prove it out.


<Sidenote> After listening to the clip a few times, I am not even sure the "unarmored bottom of the tank" he is referring to is the Tiger, or the fuel tank he mentions were sometimes towed behind them. 

Regardless, the true effectiveness of air interdiction against armored columns was not harming the tanks themselves, but destroying the unarmored fuel and ammo trucks that accompanied them.  Deprive the thirsty monsters of fuel, they become nothing better than pillboxes.
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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2009, 03:52:10 AM »
The bullets crumpling from the impact against concrete would prolly hurt penetration, as well.
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Re: Bouncing Bullets
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2009, 07:49:14 AM »
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Yes, the guys who thought they did it in real life were wrong.  Or they were never able to do it themselves, but "knew" it could happen because of stories of others.  Doesn't make them liars, if that is what you think we are calling them.  It just makes them mistaken.

Classic "a friend of friend told me..." or "this one time, I was ..." tall-tales.
Gets taller and taller each time it circulates around the group.


Seeing how P-38 pilots in Ploesti can all casually confuse the Romanian IAR.80s as 190s - which led to their demise - I wouldn't exactly count on how accurately average pilots can identify things in the heat of combat. Like Karnak mentions, the only thing that can actually verify the truth is a thorough inspection. And what does those objective inspections tell us?

You can't kill tanks with bouncing bullets.