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Offline fergie

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Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« on: February 18, 2009, 07:03:56 PM »
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 06:14:14 AM »
http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/nealsminicooper/?action=view&current=alprlicplate.flv

Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when they come for you?

Got this in the UK already but not on board a moving vehicle.  What you'll see is a static vehicle usually a van or Jam sarnie (white traffic cop with red stripe).  The cops usually set up a trap for want of a better word.  A van with the tech a cop car or bike 200 yards past the van and a restriced catchment area.  Usually preceding a one way road or a road that prohibits U turns by means of barriers. 

They ping moving vehicle number plates to read if you have a M.O.T (yearly smog test safety check), valid motor insurance (no arrears on monthly debit if not paid in full), valid road Tax (tags).  It will also say if the registered owners driving licence is expired or banned.... all this whilst pinging you for speeding. 

Some say it can also say if a warrent of arrest is registered against the owner but I don't if this is true but the above most defiantly is. 

If a vehicle is not on the road like a car park or your drive then they can't nick ya for motoring offences.


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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 08:00:16 AM »
I support anything that gets the morons that shouldn't be driving off of the road.
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 08:11:04 AM »
Just curious, I wonder what is the response time with a vehicle registration once it's querried?  The film never mentioned what the lapse in time was from when the monitor read a registration plate and when the information was fed back. 

From that perspective, if the system is being operated in traffic, if a "hit" on a vehicle passes the cop, is the suspect vehicle going to be 25 meters away or 300 meters down the roadway?  I think that this application would be best suited in parking lots as it demonstrated.  The highway and other public roads, I think it would be limited to the response time of the system.

Other than that flaw, I think the system looks interesting.  But since many law enforcement agencies in the U.S. have systems in place, (Mobil Data Terminals=MDT's), that are linked through a national database called the National Crime Information Center (N.C.I.C.) and the Criminal Justice Information Services (C.J.I.S.), I think a random scanning registration plate system will never replace the gut instincts of a police officer on the street. 

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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 08:27:31 AM »
make sure your papers are in order comrade.

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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 08:37:52 AM »
As the comforts of anonymity and privacy begin to erode in the name of security, so shall the foundations of the rest of our country's statutes..
This is but a step... :noid

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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 08:44:23 AM »
I went to a class back in August with some guys from Norfolk, VA  P.D. and they told me that they were already getting it in and starting to train on it.  Sounded pretty cool to me.  They said the response time is fairly quick.  Just like the video said, you get all of the information on stolen cars etc. before you go out or update it throughout the day and while it's scanning plates, it's scanning that database to compare it.  The officer will get a response fairly quickly and can go back and do some good ole fashioned police work.
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 08:53:26 AM »
APR is used on the Ohio Turnpike to catch stolen cars, plates, or people with warrants.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6039555

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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2009, 09:09:48 AM »
How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?

Just curious.
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2009, 09:21:40 AM »
How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?

Just curious.

Uh... probable cause!

Just guessing.
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 09:24:57 AM »
How is this any different than when I call in a plate during a traffic stop?

Just curious.


I'm guessing this system runs in conjunction with the systems already in place.  Just faster and without the officer having to do anything.

Uh... probable cause!

Just guessing.

You don't need probable cause to check a vehicle's registration.  You need it to make an arrest.
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 09:51:35 AM »
http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f13/nealsminicooper/?action=view&current=alprlicplate.flv

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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2009, 09:56:25 AM »
As soon as he said the word "about" I suspected he was Canadian. :rofl
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2009, 10:03:11 AM »
Got this in the UK already but not on board a moving vehicle. 

Thought Essex had ANPR in their Scoobies (Police Interceptors TV prog)
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Re: Coming soon to a Cop near you. License Plate Scanner
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2009, 10:20:08 AM »
I'm guessing this system runs in conjunction with the systems already in place.  Just faster and without the officer having to do anything.

You don't need probable cause to check a vehicle's registration.  You need it to make an arrest.

According to this,as long as the officer is randomly checking plates,there is no 4th amendment violation.

http://www.lawofficer.com/news-and-articles/articles/lom/0407/license_plate_checks.html

The problem with these new systems is they don't check randomly;they check every plate they can visually acquire.

Right now there aren't that many of them so people generally aren't aware they even exist.But I'd be willing to bet the constitutionality of these things will be challenged in court eventually.