Computer rebuild

[TheZohan]

i agree that intel is faster if you have the money to own it...

but if your said person is going into video editing, personally they should be using a workstation MB with Quadro/Fire Video cards

[Skuzzy]

Videographers do not need workstation video cards.  Typically they need very little in video card.  They need fast CPU's (the more cores, the better) and a lot of fast RAM.

[TheZohan]

that being the case a 8 Way AMD system blows away the core i7 system
and i would go with the Xeon class procesor instead if i was to go intel 

the xeon x5482, 5472 are both 50% faster then the i7

and a 8 way Opteron 8354 is almost 3 times as fast as the i7

and for graphics rendering .. a openGL card is better for that application

[Skuzzy]

Not for video work it doesn't.

A 4 way Xenon system kills AMD for video work.  The AMD CPU's implementation of the SSE instruction sets are just too slow.  A dual core E8400 just beats a Phemon 9850, for example, even though the Phenom has 2 more cores available.

AMD just cannot compete against Intel in that area of business, regardless of cost.

OpenGL cards are irrelevant.  Professional video applications use DirectShow for the video display work on a PC.

[TheZohan]

yeah but the phenom 9850 sucks it is half the speed of a phenom II 940, anything not phenom II core is gonna suck

the E8400 is 164.99
the Phenom II 940 is 229.00
the phenom 9850 is  142.00

i couldnt find stats on the PII 940 but

in ciname 4D benchmarks the 9850 beat the the E8400 by almost 50 secs.
in studio 3D max the 9850 beat the E8400 by 13 secs

thought the i7's slaughter just about everything else

[Skuzzy]

I know, it was one of a few AMD CPU's listed in the professional videographers database.  They have a tendency to laugh at people who use AMD for video/audio work.

One of the threads in here has a short listing of some of the sample performance comparisons between AMD and Intel I drew from the database.

Silly me.  Here it is.  If someone shows up and submits the test from a new Phenom, I will nab it.  So far, no one has submitted one.

[skribetm]

The AMD CPU's implementation of the SSE instruction sets are just too slow. 

i was reading a few months ago about the sse pipelines for both cpu's where amd uses two, while intel's c2d series uses 4 pipelines. it's not just the large cache in c2d's that beat the older phenoms but also the sse clock cycles.

i'd have to disagree about cost, however.

[Skuzzy]

Zohan, Cinema 4D and 3D Studio Max have nothing to do with professional videography.

[TheZohan]

thats where AMD has failed for sure. thats why the new Phenom II's are getting a second look .. the 6MBs of cache has made these Processors shine.. i know that the second half of 2009 there will be the 6 -core processors coming out.

[Skuzzy]

I would like to see AMD come up with something competitive in this area.  They need to stay alive, just to keep Intel in check.

This year should be interesting.

[TheZohan]

but again if i was soley going into video editing i would go with the Xeon Workstation rather then the i7 setup

[Dragon]

I wonder if this hijack will ever end.  They just keep going back and forth, back and forth, round and round and again and again.    


Oh, sorry I got distracted, where was I again, oh yeah, this case was a dream to work in and with.  Very solid, came with 4 fans installed and all the lights worked and look quite cool.  The best part was both sides fold down on hinges for wonderful access.

 RAIDMAX SMILODON Extreme Black ATX-612WEBP 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case With 500W Power Supply - Retail 59.99