Why is the Ki-84 the only respected Japanese fighter?

[grizz441]

Never heard of you up until about 5-6 months ago.

I'm sorry.

I flew Tour's 47-51 and also 95-97.  I also flew AW1 on Aol, then Aw3 on gamestorm for years.  I've been around.

[AKHog]

I tend to let KIs be when ever I am flying around.
Most of the time they are piloted well so I do my best not to engage them.

Just have to say, this is the exact attitude that I see more and more of recently. People simply flying around looking for easy kills and avoiding challenge. I don't understand this view at all.

When I started playing it was an honor and privilege to come across a good stick and get your butt handed to you. It was also considered desirable to engage planes you knew were better than you in performance or piloting, becuase of the lessons you would no doubt learn. (When Citabria played I'd engage every P38 I ever saw). The entire idea with the game for most people was to learn about and simulate WW2 era Air Combat Maneuvers and get better at dog fighting. Now it seems only a minority of the players are interested in this. 

[shreck]

Not that you've ever fought my 38 in a fair engagement (You don't duel, remember?), but obviously he is better in the P38.  Doesn't matter though, I'll do Ki84, he can do 38's.  We don't have to switch planes.  Your assumption is that he is a better pilot than me therefore if I beat him in the Ki84 it will further the presumption we have made that the Ki84 is a superior plane.  You should try dueling sometime, you might learn something and be able to apply it to the MA.  That is of course, if your ego can handle some failure in a fair fight for the sake of getting better.

LOL I duel plenty! and I assume nothing. I said he is 3 times the 38 pilot that you are!! Please be factual. I don't think he could touch you if he flew ki84 vs ki84. Please stop trolling. If you want to duel me than say so, can't ever seem to catch your runnin 152 in the LW  It seems the "soft" ego here is yours! Please remember a quote, " don't take muppet banter seriously" A little advice, don't take shreck banter seriously 

[shreck]

Not that you've ever fought my 38 in a fair engagement

This a true statement! You are usually higher than me 

[grizz441]

LOL I duel plenty! and I assume nothing. I said he is 3 times the 38 pilot that you are!! Please be factual. I don't think he could touch you if he flew ki84 vs ki84. Please stop trolling. If you want to duel me than say so, can't ever seem to catch your runnin 152 in the LW  It seems the "soft" ego here is yours! Please remember a quote, " don't take muppet banter seriously" A little advice, don't take shreck banter seriously 

Heh, I guess you have a new policy towards dueling because you have refused all duels I have seen in the past.  Sure, we can get a few rounds in soon.

This a true statement! You are usually higher than me 

Higher than your horde maybe.   

[shreck]

Heh, I guess you have a new policy towards dueling because you have refused all duels I have seen in the past.  Sure, we can get a few rounds in soon.

Higher than your horde maybe.   

L I E  !

and it is very funny you say horde, lol as I have watched you while on bish, horde with alt at the edge of bases  A L L O T      So I know you are well above the rest of us geeky game players but, IMO you are PLENTY tardish yourself   

Please bathe before you sling your mud cowboy!

[Kweassa]

When I started playing it was an honor and privilege to come across a good stick and get your butt handed to you. It was also considered desirable to engage planes you knew were better than you in performance or piloting, becuase of the lessons you would no doubt learn. (When Citabria played I'd engage every P38 I ever saw). The entire idea with the game for most people was to learn about and simulate WW2 era Air Combat Maneuvers and get better at dog fighting. Now it seems only a minority of the players are interested in this.

Well, things change. 15 buck paid, 15 bucks worth of enjoying the game in whichever way they like it.

[skullman]

I am a mediocre stick but love to fly the kI-61.Well I like the slow turn fighters.When I do go up it seems like the little red dweebs ignore everyone else and go after me.The 84 is a great little plane but the 61 will outdive it all day long.

[Vudak]

L I E  !

and it is very funny you say horde, lol as I have watched you while on bish, horde with alt at the edge of bases  A L L O T      So I know you are well above the rest of us geeky game players but, IMO you are PLENTY tardish yourself   

Please bathe before you sling your mud cowboy!

I'm a cynic, but it seems like these days in the MA, you're either somewhere near someone's horde, or flying in the middle of nowhere with nothing to shoot.

[bongaroo]

Larry ate me up in a Ki84 and I'm still trying to come up with an approach for a well flown La7.  I guess I'd forgotten how good La7's are when the pilot knows what they are doing.  I was tagged a couple times when I misread it's E entirely and was plucked roping up.  Flaps out I wasn't even getting angles much.

One of the first when I started with a bit of an E advantage we both ended up spinning into the drink.  So I called that a tie, but after a bunch of deaths I still hadn't figured out how to beat one that maintains an E advantage on you.

What would any of you do given a co-alt or higher La7 that isn't a lawndart newbie?

[AKHog]

What would any of you do given a co-alt or higher La7 that isn't a lawndart newbie?

(In my hog) I show them my 6, get them to dive in, and then turn hard. As soon as I see they will overshoot, I reverse fast and try to get a shot off before they extend out of range.

A more risky but sometimes very successful move is to get them to follow a turn. Get them to dive on you, but don't break hard. Instead start a slow turn and see if they will follow. As they get closer turn harder and they will overshoot, but hopefully have now given up some E.

If its a really good patient pilot the situation is worse. If you are low, try to drag to the deck where you can turn the fight horizontal and bleed his E. If you are high and he is just BandZing you, there is not a lot you can do other than keep turning to avoid his attacks, and hope he gets impatient and does something stupid.

[bongaroo]

If its a really good patient pilot the situation is worse. If you are low, try to drag to the deck where you can turn the fight horizontal and bleed his E. If you are high and he is just BandZing you, there is not a lot you can do other than keep turning to avoid his attacks, and hope he gets impatient and does something stupid.

He wouldn't bite on the overshoot, very patient.  I didn't get a chance to catch him with an E advantage myself.  A few where I felt a little more confident usually had a second LA7 screaming through forcing me to react and take away my initiative.

All the other Lala's didn't give me much trouble, a well flown one is just dirty. 

I'll keep trying.   

[Anaxogoras]

420ace, I've flown the Ki-84 a bit in the AvA matchup against the La-7, and against good pilots I found it absolutely necessary to keep the nose-up so the flaps would not auto-retract.  Once you get into a good position you can get more aggressive and follow nose low with some throttle work, but if the fight is equal you cannot go nose low.  I've tried cutting the throttle and using rudder, but the flaps still auto-retract in a low yo-yo, which makes the maneuver an absolute waste of the 84's abilities.

Btw, I've been flying the 84 a lot recently, and once you get used to its quirks and avoid its nasty traits, it is a killer.  Flying it for base defense last night it seemed like I was landing 5-6 kills every 15 minutes.

[grizz441]

Sunsfan and I did 6 Ki84 vs P38 duels (3 Each).  We were planning on doing at least 10 but the fights were so lopsided that it was pointless.  Ki84-5 Easy Wins
P38-1 tough win

Ki84 easily outperforms the 38 in all aspects.

[sunfan1121]

KI > 38