Messerschmitt Bf 109k-4...

[Jager]

Was just curious about the weapons load on the Bf 109k-4 and found some interesting stuff.  Apparently the Bf 109k-4 could of came with 2x2 cm Mauser MG 151/20 cannon gondola pods or 21 cm Wfr.Gr. 21 rockets (as on the Gustav models)¹.  What would be the chance off us getting these options on the Bf 109k-4?     

¹ - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109#cite_ref-96

Also goes on to say... all of the K-4s supplied to III./JG 26 were also equipped with 20mm-guns in the hated underwing tubs.<sup>2

2</sup> - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109#cite_ref-97

here is another site that says the same... http://www.adlertag.de/mainindex.htm

[Agent360]

Ummm...welll the short answer is the 109k4 as it is now is totally uber....flown correctly it owns almost every plane.

This bird is very unique in this game. It is very hard to learn but has the ability to out climb, out fly and sometimes out turn anything.

That is the beauty of it. One must put in some stick time and effort to take advantage of the "uberness".

Personally, I would love to see 20mm gun packages..but on the other hand I don't want such a beautifully designed plane to become another spit16.

I think the 109k4 is just fine like it is.

If aint broke dont fix it.

[mechanic]

German La7

[JunkyII]

Ummm...welll the short answer is the 109k4 as it is now is totally uber....flown correctly it owns almost every plane.

This bird is very unique in this game. It is very hard to learn but has the ability to out climb, out fly and sometimes out turn anything.

That is the beauty of it. One must put in some stick time and effort to take advantage of the "uberness".

Personally, I would love to see 20mm gun packages..but on the other hand I don't want such a beautifully designed plane to become another spit16.

I think the 109k4 is just fine like it is.

If aint broke dont fix it.

I think the Ki 84 is its only real match if flown correctly, ki has a climbrate which is just a total suprise sometimes

[Jager]

Ummm...welll the short answer is the 109k4 as it is now is totally uber....flown correctly it owns almost every plane.

This bird is very unique in this game. It is very hard to learn but has the ability to out climb, out fly and sometimes out turn anything.

That is the beauty of it. One must put in some stick time and effort to take advantage of the "uberness".

Personally, I would love to see 20mm gun packages..but on the other hand I don't want such a beautifully designed plane to become another spit16.

I think the 109k4 is just fine like it is.

If aint broke dont fix it.

I like the way it is, not saying to change the characteristics but, would like the gun package as i orginally asked 

[Krusty]

Never flown in combat with gondolas, they were removed at the depot/staging level before being given to pilots.

That's what the experts reported back when the 109 line was upgraded graphically-speaking.

[sunfan1121]

I think the Ki 84 is its only real match if flown correctly, ki has a climbrate which is just a total suprise sometimes

not my K4 

[SkyRock]

the k-4  is actually a lil easy mode....for stall fighters...for the avg joe though, its tough to fly and even harder to land kills in.  

[Agent360]

I am kinda torn either way.

I know that if I had a 20mm hub cannon I would get wayyyy more kils. But on the other hand half of the mystique and challenge of flying the k4 is the gun package. That one reason is why most people give it up as a regular ride.

30mm are just wonderful snap shot rounds. Nothing beats it. The down side and what I like about it is its very hard to construct gun solutions. It requires the pilot to fly much differently as compared to normal turny planes.

I am with you on the guns as far as "funness" (not a real word).

I have a suspicion that if the k4 had 20mm guns it would be like the la7, spit16. 4-hog, or typh.

The k4 is the best kept secret of the game

[mechanic]

30mm are just wonderful snap shot rounds. Nothing beats it.

pfffft i got 4 hispano, 4 browning, two merlins and a huge f-off windscreen that disagree with you.

[Krusty]

I know that if I had a 20mm hub cannon I would get wayyyy more kils.
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I have a suspicion that if the k4 had 20mm guns it would be like the la7, spit16. 4-hog, or typh.

Fly the G-14 with only a 20mm hub gun. It'll fly 99% the same as the K-4 (and even outclimb/accelerate the K-4 at 5000ft by a little bit) up to about 15k, then the G-14 drops off and the K-4 keeps going. Below this point they are VERY similar planes. One reason I like having the G14 is because when you want a K4 (for MA purposes) with 20mm guns or gondies, just take the G14s and your wish is granted.

[uptown]

I don't like them  

[Krusty]

Oh, P.S. the Ki-84's climb rate is nothing compared to the 109s' climb rates.

Ki-84 barely touches 4000fpm at 5k and drops sharply after that. 109K-4 and G-14 almost touch 5000fpm up to 5k alt, and above that gradually drop off.

Plus the Ki has a huuuuuuge mid-alt power drop that I dislike. Puts it at a disadvantage when fighting planes higher up.

[DrDea]

  I wouldnt mind 20's on a K-4 but yea.Thats a pretty much a G 14

[Agent360]

I hear you dude. BUT the g14 aint no k4.

It is the speed that matters first. And second is the engine POWER. Power is not defined by climb or acceleration in this plane. It is defined by the pure beastly power that allows the plane to stall, torque roll, float and maneuver with only throttle. This plane is all about speed....fast but especially slow and the ability to go between these extremes at will.

The g14 is very similar. But only in that it is the next fastest in the 109 series.

A 20mm k4 and a 20mm g14 are totally differnet animals

Fly the G-14 with only a 20mm hub gun. It'll fly 99% the same as the K-4 (and even outclimb/accelerate the K-4 at 5000ft by a little bit) up to about 15k, then the G-14 drops off and the K-4 keeps going. Below this point they are VERY similar planes. One reason I like having the G14 is because when you want a K4 (for MA purposes) with 20mm guns or gondies, just take the G14s and your wish is granted.