Perk the 37MM Il-2

[Karnak]

This video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ-a8U1QWUw

Has six seconds of the Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII firing the automatic 57mm Molins gun while on the ground.  The footage is from 0:35 to 0:41 seconds.  It gives a good idea of the kick that weapon had.

[BnZs]

If your going to perk the iL2 you need to perk the Wirble. Each keeps the other from being unbalancing.

And they also now constitute the vast majority of a2g planes and g2a vehicles. Lightly perk both the 37s and the WW to restore some variety.

[shreck]

 P E R K   I T !!!!!

[moot]

The 37mm on the AH Il2 fire together.

[Ghosth]

BnZ with respect sir, I disagree.

The A20 and the B25h are seen just as much as the iL2 is.

Even if you did perk the wirble, you would still have the osty to deal with.
Sorry but AH is and always has been a matter of adapt or die.

Tactics, field capture methods, strat, all have one thing in common. They have changed with every significant release.

It is the way it is going to be until they release something else that changes things.
Adapt and accept it.

[Lusche]

BnZ with respect sir, I disagree.

The A20 and the B25h are seen just as much as the iL2 is.

Hm, not in the AH I am playing

The popularity of the B-25H as a tank killer had taken 2 major hits: First by the introduction of the Wirbelwind, which suddenly made flying low & slow over the battlefield a pretty dangerous thing, and second by the appearance of the 37mm Sturmovik wich is more survivable and easier to score in.

As usual, some data:




Also I respectfully disagree on the "new" Il-2 being a counter to the Wirbelwind. It' not better than the "old"  il-2 in killing it, and the 23mm version is actually better suited to disable the turret.

The 37mm Il-2 is mainly negating the former advantage of killing ords at a base, as it is the bane of every GV rolling to a field, Tiger & T34 included


That being said, I am not for perking the Il-2, nor the Wirbelwind (though I really want to see it's ENY lowered)
But in my personal vision of a perked ords system, it would be a perked option.


Snailman
(who is still crying about how the Wirbel made his Hurri D obsolete)

[BnZs]

Osti is a significantly harder to shoot with. Especially when it comes to annoying fighters in a low dogfight, as opposed to targeting bombers. Of course the Osti *is* superior in some regards, particularly when dealing with A-20s.

And I don't see near as many A-20s or anything else looking to kill tanks with a bomb as I used to. Except for those padding bomber or attack scores by annoying tank-town. The Il2 option is just too much easier. I understand the argument, that it is soooo easy to pork the ords in a suicide 190 and drop the VH, then roll vehicles in unopposed, and that was annoying. IMO, it would make a lot more sense to fix it to where one suicide 190 couldn't disable bombs at a base.

BnZ with respect sir, I disagree.

The A20 and the B25h are seen just as much as the iL2 is.

Even if you did perk the wirble, you would still have the osty to deal with.
Sorry but AH is and always has been a matter of adapt or die.

Tactics, field capture methods, strat, all have one thing in common. They have changed with every significant release.

It is the way it is going to be until they release something else that changes things.
Adapt and accept it.

[macerxgp]

There is one more situation where the B25H does not need air superiority.

However, only the Rooks can use it in such a manner, as it heavily involves Limbo0.

The chatter on channel 200 is PRICELESS.

Gotta love the good old 20-man B25H raids. Even more fun than Looney Gooney.

[oakranger]

37 mm Il-2 should be perk.  The other down dam near made it home with a half of wing after the Il-2 hit me from 2k out.  What the hell is that about. 

[moot]

"damned"

[Rich46yo]

37 mm Il-2 should be perk.  The other down dam near made it home with a half of wing after the Il-2 hit me from 2k out.  What the hell is that about. 

"Dam near made it home"? Ive "made it home" in Hellcats with 1/2 a wing and oil shot up. Shoot the huge oil target in the IL-2 and the bird has maybe two minutes flight time. Actually the IL-2 is very easy to shoot down. Easier then real life accounts have it. Ive shot them down plenty of times with a single 0.50 and dont hesitate to engage them with any gun package in the game. Against fighters, even bombers, and flak they are as easy to kill, or easier, as a heavy Jabo.

I think this game, the players, were used to racking up lotsa perks with the Panzer lV prior to the big cannon being put on the Storm birds. And the 37mm makes easy meat of Panzers.

[Hazard69]

I think this game, the players, were used to racking up lotsa perks with the Panzer lV prior to the big cannon being put on the Storm birds. And the 37mm makes easy meat of Panzers.

That might be it.
I haven't had much more success in my IL2/37mm (though thats probably due to the fact that I cant aim and I refuse to spend on a good stick). On the other hand Ive been in T34s where 37mm IL2s have strafed me till they were out of ammo. I have also shot down a few IL2s in a T34 (love the gun traverse and HVAP).

I think the WW and the IL2 are fine as they are, though the IL2 seems pretty easy to down and not as tough as its reputation (that maybe though due to its reputation not being forged facing too many 50cal armed aircraft).

[Xasthur]

This video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ-a8U1QWUw

Has six seconds of the Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII firing the automatic 57mm Molins gun while on the ground.  The footage is from 0:35 to 0:41 seconds.  It gives a good idea of the kick that weapon had.

Sweet jesus.

Gimme gimme gimme.

[oakranger]

How dose one to be perked?