mosquito fans

[bozon]

Ive always wondered... can a Mossie out turn a P38?

On equal terms? no. Also, if this is at very slow speeds, the P-38 flaps and no torque make a big difference.

[TwinEng]

Twin Engine, nice find.. They're making 10 of them. Wow..

I wonder what they will do with all of these brand new Lancasters once the movie is completed?

I guess original Lancasters are way too valuable to use in making a motion picture.


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[Scherf]

I think "Just Jane" is due to / has already been used to make some taxying sequences.

[Die Hard]

Ive always wondered... can a Mossie out turn a P38?

Easily. The 38 turns rather poorly and can be out turned by much of the plane set. Even with flaps.

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/

[Plazus]

Seems some people say the Mossie outturns the Lightning while others say its the latter. Whats it going to be? Lol. I guess Ill have to test out the Mossie myself to see the results.

[Die Hard]

Or you could just click the link in my previous post.

[Karnak]

Or you could just click the link in my previous post.

I did.  It shows radius but not rate.

[Die Hard]

True. Nevertheless the Mossie does out turn the P-38, and so does the 110G and A-20G and I think even the Ju 88A. The P-38 really does not turn very well at all, and experienced 38 drivers will keep it in the vertical where it has significant advantages over these other planes.

[FTJR]

Looking at the AKUAG charts, the 38J has a turn rate of 19~20 dps, compared to the mossies 16~18..

[Die Hard]

Yeah, that will make little difference. The Mossie will turn inside the 38.

[Die Hard]

... Unless the Mossie still has that elevator authority problem at low speed?

[Plazus]

Well I flew the Mossie last night and made some notes:

The mossie has the ability to outturn the P38, but only in certain circumstances. The Mossie must have some E going into the turn first of all. Since there is engine torque, you must turn to the left for better results. Also, in the flat turns, you will notice a very unstable gun platform, and adding some rudder makes it much worse. In conclusion to this, the mossie is at a disadvantage due to the wallowing of the nose, and slow elevator response. Rudder response is also very very slow when going over 400 mph.

All that the P38 has to do is either turn to the right, or utilize the vertical. In this fashion, the Mossie will be like a shark on its belly- immobilized. With the P38 having no torque issue, and stable gun platform, it has the ability to flop right over and pounce on top of it. Also the 38 has awesome rudder respone (likely the best in game) and can change direction quickly with a little input. P38s will also be able to pull out of a stall without breaking a sweat. But for the Mossie, prepare to ride the joystick!

DieHard, I looked at those charts in the link that you gave me. While the information is fairly accurate, it can be misleading. I have found that just because the Mossie has a tighter turn radius does not mean that it is superior in a turn fight. P38s have better E retention in turn fights than the Mossie. So it will have an advantage.

To sum it up- dont get in a turn fight in a Mossie! Keep your E and learn to manage it. But if you do get in a sticky situation, be very careful with using rudder. Just like the Brits said "If you use too much rudder, the Mosquito will bite!"

[Die Hard]

First of all the question was not if the Mossie could out fight the P-38, but if it could out turn it. It can. I also noted that an experienced 38 driver would use the vertical. Second, better E retention is not an advantage in a turn fight. Quite the contrary; the plane that can dump E the quickest will win the initial positional advantage.

[bozon]

Second, better E retention is not an advantage in a turn fight. Quite the contrary; the plane that can dump E the quickest will win the initial positional advantage.

That is not a turn fight. If that was true, P47 was the best turn fighter in the game. Just thinking about moving the stick drops you from 350 to 250 mph, and it is generally true to all E fighters. The classic turn fighters (spits, zero etc.) have very good E retention. The mosquito have problems dumping speed at high speeds. I am not sure if this is true retention or just lack of elevator authority, because it used to slow down quite fast before its FM was "fixed" (not including the 300 to 0 + flat spin in 0.01 seconds).

The mosquito yaw instability is torque effects, or so I believe. Wings level, pushing and pulling the stick induces secondary yaw motion. The few real twin engines beechcrafts I few in we easily thrown into this gentle yaw pendulum motion with every little adjustment of the controls. P38 is spared due to the counter props.

[Die Hard]

That is not a turn fight. If that was true, P47 was the best turn fighter in the game. Just thinking about moving the stick drops you from 350 to 250 mph...

And that's one of the P-47's deadliest moves against unwary opponents. Dumping E and turning around faster than most would believe possible. E retention is an advantage in an E fight. In a turn/stall fight it is arguably a disadvantage because you can't slow down to your best corner speed faster than your opponent.