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Offline gyrene81

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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #255 on: September 21, 2009, 09:41:35 PM »
No Thor, I don't project anything. I look at all of the data with the same objectivity, and I never bank anything on a single piece of data. It's just like investigating anything else, you find all of the resources you can, cross reference known data, find other data that may not be directly linked but is nontheless pertinent to the path towards a conclusion, find supporting data, study the science behind the data, then put it all together and attempt to validate it using every aspect.

That one piece of paper is not absolute irrefutable evidence. The translation may say approved limits, but without any other pages from the test report, there is a significant lack of context under which that statement was made. Was it an experimental flap design? Was it an experimental wing design? Was it a controlled stress test of the flap and wing together or just the flap? Was it a live test to the point of failure on every increment (which means someone risked life and limb for each increment)? What exactly failed at each level? Those questions and others must be asked and answered before the data can be valid.


109/110 flap test sheet

I got that piece of paper from the same source that coughed up the one you have and he believed there were 9 sheets but didn't have them all.
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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #256 on: September 21, 2009, 11:25:59 PM »
i don't know man, they are over two months apart on the dates and those are the only similar markings on the two sheets ...

i'm not sure i revealed my source, wanna p.m. me so we can compare notes?

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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #257 on: September 22, 2009, 09:36:12 AM »
You think extensive tests are done overnight? If Bulldozer didn't get you that page, then I assumed in error. Check your pm's.
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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #258 on: September 22, 2009, 10:34:29 AM »
no i found the sheet in another discussion on the same topic on another board, i requested a copy from the poster. 

it sounds like these were 2 pages of 9 he received in reply to a request he made on the subject.

sounds like the pages themselves may not be related other than that they refer to the same topic.

i.e. not part of the same report.

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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #259 on: September 22, 2009, 10:42:51 AM »
sounds like the pages themselves may not be related other than that they refer to the same topic.

i.e. not part of the same report.
That may very well be possible.

Having to rely on outside resources makes the data difficult to track properly. Complete works are extremely rare.
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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #260 on: September 22, 2009, 10:54:08 AM »
we just need to take black 6 out for a joy ride (did they fix it yet?) ...

with a strong man and a film crew ...

maybe some "VW Clown" experts so we can get everybody into the cockpit ...
 
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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #261 on: September 22, 2009, 11:06:29 AM »
we just need to take black 6 out for a joy ride (did they fix it yet?) ...

with a strong man and a film crew ...

maybe some "VW Clown" experts so we can get everybody into the cockpit ...
 
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OMG...If I was a pilot I'd give my left testicle to put that plane through the paces, but I thought the Brits put it in a museum. No film crew needed, just a few mini-dv cameras mounted in the cockpit, 3 would get all the angles needed.
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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #262 on: September 22, 2009, 11:28:21 AM »
it just knaws at me that any aircraft designer would design any control surface (primary or secondary) that is weaker than it stated structural limits at any point in during its normal function.

i think there must be some other reason out there for the low speeds in the POH ...

 
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Re: Dropping Flaps??
« Reply #263 on: September 22, 2009, 12:17:45 PM »
i think there must be some other reason out there for the low speeds in the POH ...
Agreed...still looking.
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