"Not Flying A P-38 Right"

[Ranger45]

The "vector roll" is an out of plane maneuver that entails moving up out of plane to a flat turning con and actually rolling away from the con until in an inverted position you've got your lift vector pointed ahead of the bogeys projected flight path. At that point you use your elevator to pull thru in line with your lift vector. This allows a plane like a P-47 (or P-38) to use zoom, roll and elevator authority to offset an inferior flat turn rate as well as properly manage speed and AOT to avoid a potential overshoot.

I am having a hard time picturing this, do you by chance have a video clip of it?

[humble]

I'm sure I do somewhere but I can film it for you later tonight if I dont have one handy...

[Ranger45]

That would be cool, thank you very much.   

[DamnedRen]

I absolutely luv forkys! I shoot every one I can find...

I'm also partial to Laffies and Hogs and Spits and just about anything I see!!!

Nuthin like a pair of 38's in tight formation....luv em.

Lift vector...hmmm...I remember sometin bout it...

When properly used you rarely trade energy for a shot. You roll to position your plane to advantage. Because you roll your joystick mostly stays in a neutral position and not back in your lap. Hmmm, I think that has sometin ta do with maintaining a high level of energy without working at it. Do that in a 38 or any plane for that matter and you just took fighting to another plane (pardon the pun).

Humble mentioned a famous fight in which the guy rolled to "cut across this other guys hemisphere". 

I also vaguely remember sumtin bout an egg...and a pencil....sumtin bout it telling you how a planes actually flies....for a donut I might remember it....

Hope this helps

Ren
Aces High Flying Corps

[CAP1]

I absolutely luv forkys! I shoot every one I can find...

I'm also partial to Laffies and Hogs and Spits and just about anything I see!!!

Nuthin like a pair of 38's in tight formation....luv em.

Lift vector...hmmm...I remember sometin bout it...

When properly used you rarely trade energy for a shot. You roll to position your plane to advantage. Because you roll your joystick mostly stays in a neutral position and not back in your lap. Hmmm, I think that has sometin ta do with maintaining a high level of energy without working at it. Do that in a 38 or any plane for that matter and you just took fighting to another plane (pardon the pun).

Humble mentioned a famous fight in which the guy rolled to "cut across this other guys hemisphere". 

I also vaguely remember sumtin bout an egg...and a pencil....sumtin bout it telling you how a planes actually flies....for a donut I might remember it....

Hope this helps

Ren
Aces High Flying Corps

I unfurtunatley, haven't had time to get online since you worked with me in the ta on that.....but i have flown the low alt p38vsspit9 and ki84 mission......and have been trying that turn you showed me. i can't make it work in there.....yet
 i always end up with 2 of the 4 on my tail......i try to used the verticle against them, but they seem to hang in there with me. they react differently than the real pile-its do.

hopefully i'll get on again soon....
thanks again for the help dude!

[DamnedRen]

LT,

Reread my very 1st sentence...Unfortunately, the forked tail devil is such a big (read huge) target that if you get one low and slowed down for any length of time the magnets in the noses of every other plane within 10 miles automatically takes the stick out of the pilots hands and beelines right to the fight. Ergo, 4-5 on yer tail...

Suggest until you get more comfortable with her turning capabilities you carefully chose your fights, use the vertical a lot and use some of that wonderful SA to determine very quickly when it's time to exit and come back.

Also, remember what we worked on in the TA. It works on every plane regardless of type. The only difference is the limits each plane imposes on you but the tactics are the same. You can still cut a hemisphere to smoke a zeke.



 Hope this helps.

Ren
Aces High Training Corps