P-38 Ruddrers

[CAP1]

I took of to hard one day in my P-38 and lost both my rudders and Stabilizers. i land and without pushing on the breaks I turn my stick (twisty rudder Joystick) and The plane moves.  .

I turn it left and right and Even though my rudders are gone the plane continues to move in the direction I twist my Joystick. 

Any help? 

steerable nosewheel/

[WWhiskey]

what does any of this have to do with"Ruddrers"
and by the way, where are the "Ruddrers" on a p-38?
 

[Traveler]

There is a huge one, and a combat simulation is a totally different thing than a war simulation.
For being a war simulation AH would have to add:

- a political level
- limited resources and a kind of economical system
- some sort of diplomacy
- espionage... oh, wait, already there

Yes, I understand that, I should have said, I was not sure that AH made a distinction between it's use of war and combat.  I agree with you on there being a huge difference, however, my original point still stands.  HT continues to interject in many different threads on the BBS that AHII is not a "simulation" that it is a "game".  I was suggestion that to be consistent the TV ad should not use the word "simulation" as it currently does to sell the game to the masses.  If it's not a simulation as HT states repeatedly in the BBS then the TV ad as it now stands is missleading or false.  That was my point.

[Plazus]

First we go into a slightly brief discussion about how the P38 may have a rudder bug in it. 

After a few replies, we then get into a heated discussion about how HTC is using false advertisements on whether not AH2 is a combat or war simulator... 

Then I sit back and watch as the greatest of forumers clash together with open minds and ideas of ingenuity. 

Gotta love the AH2 forum drama! 

[Murdr]

I agree with you on there being a huge difference, however, my original point still stands.  HT continues to interject in many different threads on the BBS that AHII is not a "simulation" that it is a "game".

But you're wrong.  HT makes the distinction that this is not a WAR simulation, it's a COMBAT simulation.  He has not said that AH is not a simulation.  Of course I already said that when I replied to Slate.

[OOZ662]

but I think the since the P38 model is old it wasn't built in to it.

Um...the P-38 was "brought up to par" a while ago...it isn't one of the "old" models.

[Traveler]

But you're wrong.  HT makes the distinction that this is not a WAR simulation, it's a COMBAT simulation.  He has not said that AH is not a simulation.  Of course I already said that when I replied to Slate.

I disagree with you on that point.  There are many instances of HT stating on the Boards that it’s not a simulation that it’s a game.  I’ve read them at several different location over the years.   

[Murdr]

I disagree with you on that point.  There are many instances of HT stating on the Boards that it’s not a simulation that it’s a game.  I’ve read them at several different location over the years.   

Prove it.

[moot]

Yes, I understand that, I should have said, I was not sure that AH made a distinction between it's use of war and combat.  I agree with you on there being a huge difference, however, my original point still stands.  HT continues to interject in many different threads on the BBS that AHII is not a "simulation" that it is a "game".  I was suggestion that to be consistent the TV ad should not use the word "simulation" as it currently does to sell the game to the masses.  If it's not a simulation as HT states repeatedly in the BBS then the TV ad as it now stands is missleading or false.  That was my point.

O/T  but are you the guy that hit me up for some winging, no more than 1 year ago, saying you were new to the game?

What's the big deal about semantic differences between game and simulation?  It's both.

[Traveler]

Prove it.

fair enough , next time I run across HTC stating "it's not a simulation, it's a game"  I'll save the link.  I remember back when the changes were tried in the arena's to alter game play, that's when I remember reading it. 

[Traveler]

Prove it.

john9001: 

Do not believe I have ever said that.

What I have said is more along the lines of it is not a simulation of WWII.

HiTech

I think that is one place I saw it.

[Murdr]

I think that is one place I saw it.

Yes.  He has made the point over and over that AH gameplay is not intended to simulate WWII.  In fact I posted a quote in this thread with him saying "We do not try to simulate WWII." 

I believe you are missing the distinction he is trying to make.  AH tries to accurately model the performance of WWII aircraft and vehicles, with the intent of players to go out and simulate combat with them.  It would be a strech to argue that AH is not an air combat sim.  Factors relevent to combat have been given great attention.  Things less relevent like button pressing and busy work for the pilot, less so because that is not the focus of AH.  Systems to simulate WWII are not modeled.  You can just log into an arena and play however you wish.  If it was a WWII simulation, you would have to wait for a mission/assignment.  You would have to work your way through the ranks in order to have a bit more freedom of choices.  There would be a substantial penalty for "dying".  Your mission objective would outweigh your score...ect.

The reason the "WWII/War" simulation topic comes up is because when that approach is taken to extremes, it undermines the point.

The game was designed to have fun at different types of combat. Conquering bases is just a means to promote combat and hence fun. But by no means is it more or less justified than going out and just mixing it up.

Because in war you would hope your commanders would be crafty and wise and achieve their objectives with as little risk and casuaties as possible.  However the "fun" is supposed to be going up against other live players in combat, not avoiding it.
 

Simply put Aces high is a game. If you ask what type of game is it. Its an air combat sim.

If you guys realy feel the need to debate a sim v game. I think you should both define your terms very precisly.

HiTech

AH is first and formost a combat simulation.

These items fall under the area of what we are trying to create. A Air Combat simulator that uses WWII aircraft.
We are not trying to simulate all the systems in a WWII plane like a eng start check list ectera.