190A-5

[Citabria]

yeah the p-38 used to be fun when it first came out.

now I have fw190s hanging with me in the vertical, outzooming out diving out turning me in the p38.

hope your 190a5 dosnt suffer the same fate

perhaps i should just sit still and watch the ufo show

[This message has been edited by Citabria (edited 06-21-2000).]

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Citabria:
yeah the p-38 used to be fun when it first came out.

now I have fw190s hanging with me in the vertical, outzooming out diving out turning me in the p38.

hope your 190a5 dosnt suffer the same fate

perhaps i should just sit still and watch the ufo show

First: how much fuel did you r 38 had?. How much the 190?

Second: what altitude where you at?

Third: did the A5 had outboard cannons? (90% sure it hadnt)

Fourth: wich was the speed?

Come on citabria the other day I managed to win angles on a P38 in my 190A8!! if the 190 driver knows his office you are ded meat.

And BTW if you come with a high level fighter to turn with an Specialized low level fighter on the deck, then dont whine because he beats you.

190A5 handles like a dream. Jeallous?...I can understand it  

As i said in other thread, until someone comes with hard numbers data about A5 too uber, stop whining.

 

[pzvg]

Ignore it folks, The A5 is fine, the aux tank is prolly cuz HTC got in a hurry due to all the "Wild,Harmful,Ignorant,Nasty,Eruptions" on the BB  
As for Citabria, humph, cit, yer a good stick, but all in all I think you'd complain that the sheep are over/under modelled if your beloved P38 happened to miss one   chill baby, itsa game.
Me, I'm glad they gave us 3 new planes and a new ground vehicle, cool effects (even at the cost of FPS, whaddya gonna see in a smoke cloud anyway?) and carry on the tradition of improvment and exspansion of what is already a blast, So stop hammering on them for a bit willya? whaddya want HTC ta get tired of the crap and sell? We really want another IEN nightmare? Huh YEAH I'M TALKING TO YOU!
   
people don't show any gratitude for honest effort nowadays just all this sports type trash talking crap, somebody needs ta blow this stinking planet off the map.  
ARRRRGH! I don't wanna talk ta yas no more today.

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[Minotaur]

Ram;

Do you fly the AH P-38?

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Though some art vets, all art dweebish"
Jedi

[dosequis]

I ran a couple A5s down in my P-38 no problem. The A5, however, provides serious competition for the Pony as the best BnZ ride now. It's fast, it can HO a F4U and perhaps come out on top.

I can see after 5 months of the Cannon Hawg and the Pony, LW drivers are defensive about the performance of this ride.

XX

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Minotaur:
Ram;

Do you fly the AH P-38?

Answer: yes

[juzz]

 

The A5, however, provides serious competition for the Pony as the best BnZ ride now. It's fast, it can HO a F4U and perhaps come out on top.

The A-8 is faster, has more powerful guns with more ammo, it has more armour and more fuel than the A-5. I'd say it is a better BnZ type than the A-5.

It's all just a big mind trick. The A-5 isn't anything spectacular in the AH planeset.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by juzz:
The A-8 is faster

It only should be that under 1K isnt it?...over that should be faster.

 

has more powerful guns with more ammo, it has more armour and more fuel than the A-5. I'd say it is a better BnZ type than the A-5.

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seen from that view, yes...but remeber that A5 can win snapshots impossible for an A8. REmember,too that A5 can zoom better than A8. IMHO A5 is much better BnZer for repetitive bounces ,while A8 loses its E after the second or third bounce.

 

It's all just a big mind trick. The A-5 isn't anything spectacular in the AH planeset.

Agree 100%. BUt A5 is MUCH MORE COMPETITIVE ARENA PLANE than A8. Fw190A8 needed a lot of teamwork (I'm more used to lonewolf,tho), A5 can hold its own better.

What happens here is that people cant stand to see a GOOD 190. They have some resort in their minds that made them think "that plane was crap". Well Fw190A was the best 1942 plane around the world. Was one of the best,if not THE best in 1943. But in 1944 was crappy because with the same power than A5, the 190A8 was far heavier.

People here cant admit that the powerloading of the 190A5 makes it to have a fast turning rate at high speeds. And as A8 people we are used to keep speed high, A5 handles like a wargod on our hands. People simply cant stand a competitive 190, is some mental closure...G10 (still the best plane here IMHO) sees very little whinin. A5, wich in fact is much more vulnerable than P51 or P38, or 109...sees endlessy whining.

A5 is competitive. In good hands is a very good plane. just as anything here. A8 had serious problems on the defensive. Now yoou people MUST work for your kills.

Pissed? I'm sorry.

Mino, BTW P38 is one of my favorite rides out of LW set. I rarely fly it because I'm in love with 190 and 109. but I did it a lot in past tours and I do it a lot in the TA.
The problem here is that under 10K 190 is VERY powerful, while P38 is designed for high altitudes. The fact that low on the deck it can fight too, doesnt hide that it fights in 190's kingdom.
and if you fight in the other's kingdom, then you'll have problems.



[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-22-2000).]

[ra]

<<<What happens here is that people cant stand to see a GOOD 190.>>>

Ram, you are trying to read peoples' minds.  Why don't you take them on their word that they are just concerned about the modelling of a new plane, in this case the 190A-5?

I would be interested to see how the 2 cannon 190A-5 matches up against the 109G-2 and 109F-4 in sustained turn and climb with 50% fuel. In a 1 on 1 knife fight I would prefer the A5 to either of these planes, and that doesn't seem right.  

I've had a couple of 20K+ fights in the A-5, and it didn't do badly at all.  Other than the 109G-10, the A-5 is better by far than all other 109s.

ra

[Hristo]

I must say I used to prefer A-8 over G-10 when I flew them in AH.

Why ?

Control feel. As simple as that.

190 can't outturn many planes. But it can outmaneuver them.

[Minotaur]

Ram;

You got your dream plane and I truly share your joy.  Consider however that the P-38 is not nearly as popular nor as exalted as the FW-190.  This means that the P-38 does not get the across the board attention that the FW-190 does among players.

When the P-38L came out it performed well, and I guess too well.  HTC modified the flight model, the masses of AH were satisfied.  They did not especially like this plane because it was clearly "Non-Superior" and that it was a good target for them to shoot at.

IMO the P-38 should perform better and I just might guess that Citabria thinks so also.  A hunch on my part, I'm assuming that Citabria is simply voicing his frustration and concern in singular fashion.  We P-38 fans seem to be a silent bunch.  Considering in respect the many LW fans, who voice their opinions over and over and over again.  Being heard in the multitudes.

To my experience, the P-38 does not fight nearly as well as it was reputed to be able to do.  It was called "The Fork-Tailed Devil" by the LW and I suspect for some good reason.  Considering, for the most part, it is closer to "The Fork-Tailed Target" and more players than not are content for it to remain thusly.

The 190A-8 already does exceedingly well in the MA and I suspect the 190A-5 will do equally or even perhaps better.  I will assume that you are content that 190's, in general, are doing or do well.  With those feelings you are perhaps in the near majority.  There are alot of LW fans who play AH.  Face the music, truly it is cannon armed planes that have the best chance of excelling.

One last thing to keep in mind.  It is the planes that DO WELL and are VERY POPULAR that get squeaked about and scrutinized the most.  

Good Luck and Brace Yourself!    

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"Though some art vets, all art dweebish"
Jedi

[juzz]

What was changed on the P-38L?

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Minotaur:
Ram;


When the P-38L came out it performed well, and I guess too well.  HTC modified the flight model, the masses of AH were satisfied.  They did not especially like this plane because it was clearly "Non-Superior" and that it was a good target for them to shoot at.

Mino that's not nearly true. P38 held E so much that it was unable to land!! someone posted NUMBERS on Drag in P38 and demonstrated that it had way too few drag. Pyro checked it and fixed it.

THat happened only 4 days after p38's release. Right now I only hear whines about A5, but not hard data. come here and put some numbers on A5, demnostrate it is too uber, not simply write it. For me A5 handles as expected. ANd so I expected this whines.
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IMO the P-38 should perform better and I just might guess that Citabria thinks so also.  A hunch on my part, I'm assuming that Citabria is simply voicing his frustration and concern in singular fashion.  We P-38 fans seem to be a silent bunch.  Considering in respect the many LW fans, who voice their opinions over and over and over again.  Being heard in the multitudes.

To my experience, the P-38 does not fight nearly as well as it was reputed to be able to do.  It was called "The Fork-Tailed Devil" by the LW and I suspect for some good reason.  Considering, for the most part, it is closer to "The Fork-Tailed Target" and more players than not are content for it to remain thusly.

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dunno, but the few times I flew in P38 I loved it, especially at high altitudes.

 

The 190A-8 already does exceedingly well in the MA and I suspect the 190A-5 will do equally or even perhaps better.  I will assume that you are content that 190's, in general, are doing or do well.  With those feelings you are perhaps in the near majority.  There are alot of LW fans who play AH.  Face the music, truly it is cannon armed planes that have the best chance of excelling.

A8 does good because the pilots, not the plane. If you dont believe me go and take one...  .I even got one before and killed 3 enemies in a sortie, 2 A5s   and one niki  .

[jmccaul]

190 A5 - nice plane, if it's over modelled in what ever area change if not leave it.

simple    

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by jmccaul:
190 A5 - nice plane, if it's over modelled in what ever area change if not leave it.

simple    

Would be nice change to get overmodelled german fighter for a change.. and I do not mean overmodelled torque now.