So many targets, so little ammo(horde sighting)

[bongaroo]

Fugitive, you really would be surprised to know how many actually agree with you to an extent.  However, It seems the only time you see any complaints is when the "Other" side does it.  That is what makes this a mute complaint.  I never see anyone, ever complain about someone doing a horde mission until it deals with Bish.  Why is that?  You see hordes on all three sides every single day, rolling bases as usual, undefended as usual, stealing cv's as usual....etc.  
Have you seen anyone from Bish complain as much as rooks and knits that conduct the same exact play?  
Do knits and rooks discourage on country to fellow fliers to not conduct that type of play in game while they see it happening or just choose not to accept that it does?
I would like to think so, but I am sure its "no".

  

I make fun of friendly hordes all the time when they show up around me.  Usually they are avoiding the large red dar bars in order to capture lightly defended bases whereas I'm looking for a fight, so I don't see the friendly ones quite as often.

Always funny to hear the responses to ridicule when I mock a green mob on one red con.  They have a lot of trouble explaining why it was a good idea when they have to think about it.

[Steve]

How many kills did you get? I like to see the film if you could post it. It seems this is the kind of fight I always run into these days and I love to learn how to prosper more than just survive in that environment.

I landed 7. I could have had a few more but I had to fight Croft in his p47N.  I dragged him out to sea until we were alone.  He had a bit more alt but I was faster... anyway, he made me miss once and I only nicked him on my second gun solution so I used too much ammo killing him.  I encountered a couple of high cons but they ignored me, surprisingly.  Other than that, I roped a couple of guys, bounced a couple of guys, evaded a couple of guys... etc. When you are solo like that you have to be careful not to allow the bad guys to engage you in a protracted fight or you will get piled on. The flight wasn't particularly remarkable as far as flying prowess goes but it was a lot of fun. Sometimes I was the fox, other times the rabbit.  As  I was rtb, Chalenge tried to bounce my 3k pony from 17k. He made one pass but then a friendly arrived and distracted him. Thanks Adcb(or something like that) This was the only friendly plane I encountered.

Dads and Thndr, I didn't start this thread as a horde/squad bashing thread. Sorry if it turns out that way. As I've made clear, I have no problem with people deciding how they have fun.  My only hope is that people don't kill Fh's at a furball, with no immediate design on capturing the base. I hope you both understand my position on this.

[The Fugitive]

I landed 7. I could have had a few more but I had to fight Croft in his p47N.  I dragged him out to sea until we were alone.  He had a bit more alt but I was faster... anyway, he made me miss once and I only nicked him on my second gun solution so I used too much ammo killing him.  I encountered a couple of high cons but they ignored me, surprisingly.  Other than that, I roped a couple of guys, bounced a couple of guys, evaded a couple of guys... etc. When you are solo like that you have to be careful not to allow the bad guys to engage you in a protracted fight or you will get piled on. The flight wasn't particularly remarkable as far as flying prowess goes but it was a lot of fun. Sometimes I was the fox, other times the rabbit.  As  I was rtb, Chalenge tried to bounce my 3k pony from 17k. He made one pass but then a friendly arrived and distracted him. Thanks Adcb(or something like that) This was the only friendly plane I encountered.

Dads and Thndr, I didn't start this thread as a horde/squad bashing thread. Sorry if it turns out that way. As I've made clear, I have no problem with people deciding how they have fun.  My only hope is that people don't kill Fh's at a furball, with no immediate design on capturing the base. I hope you both understand my position on this.

Could you upload the film and PM the link for it. I'd be real interested in the timing and how you approached the fight over all. I think I get too aggressive when I'm in that situation, and when I try to go easy I'm wondering if I'm going too easy. Also, I think I need to learn where that "too deep" line is. Id like to trip over it more often than just go running right by it 

[smokey23]

That's all well and good but what about the disproportionate mission sizes to the vbase and port.

As a strat player myself I have no objections to base taking.  Although I haven't been in a country mission for years I also understand the need for them.  However, missions that resemble a sledge hammer to crack a nut is just plain irresponsible to game play.  It was all just to eastern block. 

If you view country missions as a kind of training ground for the newbies those 2 missions trained none in the art of Aeriel combat or precision skills.  The only thing a mission like that teaches and perpetuate, much to the detriment of game play, is this eastern block mentality.   

If the mission leader can't see this I again say shame on you.

I agree 100% with youre comment LYNX

[Steve]

Could you upload the film and PM the link for it. I'd be real interested in the timing and how you approached the fight over all. I think I get too aggressive when I'm in that situation, and when I try to go easy I'm wondering if I'm going too easy. Also, I think I need to learn where that "too deep" line is. Id like to trip over it more often than just go running right by it 

I can do this but you'll find the kills unremarkable. Other than not letting a yak pin me down, which would have led to a gangbang, I stayed out of trouble.

[Hap]

"Tactical" thinking and being part of operations to execute the plan is what made Aces High the mother of all fun for me back in the day.

I do take the criticisms of overwhelming #'s to achieve what some say is too meager a goal with some wicked satisfaction. Shame on me!

To make sense of it, folks need to know the back story which I will leave up to better wordsmiths than I.

Suffice it to say, here's some of what things looked like back in 2002 to 2004'ish; don't recall exact dates, so don't niggle.

All bases could be captured.
When one country had 1 base left, game over: the war had been won.
2 barracks on a large field
2 barracks on a small field
3-4 barracks on a med field (or something like that -- someone with a better memory will correct me)
less ack on fields and towns (a dora could deack a small field easily)
fuel could be porked to 25%
no eny; no multiple arenas

Not infrequently, 2 countries were near winning at the expense of the 3rd.  The thinking was in high gear.  Not only charting out the surest courses to victory, but having a plan b or c in a country's back pocket.  Also, anticipating the foe's moves was part of the fun too.

Well, it looked something like that.  Others will fill in what they see as the downside: fuel porked, and . . . well, fuel porked, and . . ., well I guess fuel porked.

All the same silly stuff that happens now happened then too.  Whatever fits that definition.

Tic-toc, tic-toc . . . you could hear the reset clock ticking.  2 sides scrambling to win.

Now, as I can gather from the BBS it's "win?"  "Who gives a flap?"

My evil satisfaction comes from seeing that now that the "let's win the war is indeed laughable," what remains garners so much criticism. 

[The Fugitive]

I can do this but you'll find the kills unremarkable. Other than not letting a yak pin me down, which would have led to a gangbang, I stayed out of trouble.

Thats what I need to see, how someone else flys a situation like that. Watchin someone "elite skills" type of film isn't going to help me. People who post those "I only got 7 this run, but you can see...." show those sweet little cherry picks, vulches that they let the guy get his wheels up, are more about tooting their own horn. I prefer to watch a film that really doesn't have anything spectacular in but show what was done in a given situation. In this case I'm interested in seeing how you worked against the horde, maintaining your "E", getting a number of kills, and getting out alive. I just need to see how someone else does it, because they way I do it isn't working 

[Getback]

As an average cartoon pilot I'd think my meager skills wouldn't have been up to the challenge of fighting in 20 - 1 odds, so I think I would have looked else where for a fight.


Why didn't you switch sides and try to defend?  

Couple of points here. If that had been a Bish or Knit base being attacked there would have been uppers. The reason is simple. They know they won't be upping by themselves. However, being Rooks you know you will probably be the only one. Although I have seen Rooks up to defend when cornered in huge numbers. Knits and Bish just seem to be a little more consistent about that.

Take a closer look at the situation. You have Steve there which I presume has an alt advantage or at least a speed advantage. The Radar is still up. So you know where the cons are. Now if about 4 to 5 guys up they could get to the goons. Now the cons have a double threat. They have Steve at alt and yet they have to engage the uppers first. Steve would have cleaned up in that situation and the base would have been saved. Perhaps the uppers would have cleaned up too eventually. I mean the cons can't watch both at the same time. So there's a distraction factor.

Last point is I'm not currently playing. Haven't played for over a month. Still I doubt if I would switch sides.

[moot]

the only time you see any complaints is when the "Other" side does it.  That is what makes this a mute complaint.  I never see anyone, ever complain about someone doing a horde mission until it deals with Bish.

Wrong.  And it gets people even more indignant when you point it out as a teammate. 

[Waldo]

and we would have to resort to flyintg balsa wood and rubberbands...........   

 Balsa Wood and rubber bands is good therapy after a really crappy day.   

[FALCONWING]

That's all well and good but what about the disproportionate mission sizes to the vbase and port.

As a strat player myself I have no objections to base taking.  Although I haven't been in a country mission for years I also understand the need for them.  However, missions that resemble a sledge hammer to crack a nut is just plain irresponsible to game play.  It was all just to eastern block. 

If you view country missions as a kind of training ground for the newbies those 2 missions trained none in the art of Aeriel combat or precision skills.  The only thing a mission like that teaches and perpetuate, much to the detriment of game play, is this eastern block mentality.   

If the mission leader can't see this I again say shame on you.

OK lets talk facts:

I logged on last night to see the vbase mission and the whining on ch 200 by you and ELK and Shawk....all i could think of was who gives a crap about v252???  It was a bish base captured by rooks who  owned about 10 bish bases.  Lot of silly whining imho but so be it...i stayed of ch200...

It fell soon after i logged on so i upped 150--->151.  There was 2x the number of rooks at the time and the bish beat them back and took 151.  I hurt your (lynx) spit14 and got the kill for Elk after he tried to ho me and rammed me.  After 151 fell even though rooks had same numbers on as bish they quit defending.  They lost 5 more bases consecutively...the first to fall was to a hurri1 mission posted by thundr...the hurris had trouble even deacking the town because of their suck ammo...but no rooks upped despite plenty of warning...even some bish calling it out on ch 200 for fun....

So man up bro...i like you well enough but have been on the receiving end of enough blind bat (dredger) missions to call you a hypocrite for your behaviors...last night and now...

I may be pondscum to many but to even begin to insinuate that Thndregg is anything but the bish version of 999000 is ridiculous...

Look forward to meeting you in the air as you are always a good fight and a clever tactitian...

[LYNX]

oooooh Lynx "Training grounds" are found in the "Training Arena", but getting one of The TA Areofighters away from the DA in their Tempests is a chore  . New people to the game look for guidance in all aspects and Thundregg flying those hanger queens missions get people involved. Without the single arena the "Command and Conquer" aspect is squashed. Now for the better of HTC this SIM is like paying $14.95 a month to ride the merry-go-round ALL DAY! Your "precision skills" while PORKING BASES I guess in your eyes is not "eastern block mentality", but IS a dertriment to the game. If  your "precision porking skills" and your ACM skill are suffering should check out Xbox's new title Called "MORE PRETTY COLORED SMOKE AND PORKING FOR THE MASSES".......which is NOW out in stores. Meanwhile the rest of will try to keep the game FUN not only for ourselves but for the Novice game players that are just looking for the same. And by the way without noobs in this economic crisis HTC would have to have lay offs and cutbacks................and we would have to resort to flyintg balsa wood and rubberbands...........   

I think by your post you are amongst the first to be indoctrinated in the ways of eastern block mentality.  Its a tad beyond you at the moment.  Please reserve your flawed comments untill you can comprehend a post about "disproportionate"

[LYNX]

FALCONWING

You have some facts wrong and like other "Fun Loving"  Bishops have misconstrued my words.  Let me explain for you and anyone else hard of understanding.

Firstly I'm not commenting on hurri missions as I had logged off to bed.  Read my post it mentions a vbase and a port ONLY.  Also be kind enough to acknowledge where I said "that's all well and good"..... are we getting the picture?

Now here's the point....the crooks of the matter...... disproportionate .  Yer i know... more than 2 syllable's     It means to the effect of --->  more than required. 

OK... I was furballing between 251 and 250 when I saw a mass of red dots on vbase 238 dar.  I have no idea what those Bish planes were but I'll wager 20 quid they wer'nt hurri 1's and that there was more than 20 bish involved.......to take a Vbase 

Once 251 was captured I was in tower when i clocked a bish mission dar bar so I upped with about 3 others from A240 to intercept the full sector dar bar.  Ironically I said on squad channel more in jest  "if you was a timid skilless Bish, would you take A240 or go for the port P241".  We headed conger line for that bish dar bar thinking A240 was its target.....nope.  The port flashed like mad and what do we find there  15 to 20 P47s + a couple of other types going for the port.  I mean FFS  1 VH and 8 acks and some clever skillfull bish sent 20+ guys onto it......that's ------> disproportionate and totally eastern block.

As for these comments about upping to defend.   This isn't Keith Parks sat in fighter command waiting to launch squadrons of fighters to the dar contacts from northern France.  It's akin to requiring "X" amount of players to bail their rides and forget what ever it was they were doing to intercept the inb mission.  Maybe you Bish do that on mass    but I've yet to see it here.

I'll clarify again I'm not opposed to capture or mission but 20+ guys on a port.....come on lads.  Its not big and its not clever.....shame on you. 

[Chalenge]

Lynx I was also online at the time and I know who put the mission together and the ones that joined and from the people available at that hour (mostly school kids) its no wonder there were that number of jugs. Just think of it as a target rich that your Yak cannot possibly stem the tide of and move on.

By the way... Im on to your cv steering ways. Just saying. 

[Dadsguns]

Ironically I said on squad channel more in jest  "if you was a timid skilless Bish, would you take A240 or go for the port P241".  We headed conger line for that bish dar bar thinking A240 was its target.....nope.  The port flashed like mad and what do we find there  15 to 20 P47s + a couple of other types going for the port.  I mean FFS  1 VH and 8 acks and some clever skillfull bish sent 20+ guys onto it......

  thought you had them figured out huh......