No spit 14 !!!

[mx22]

This thread reminds me of the one I had recently with Pongo. I'm just too tired to fight this "war". RAM give me a reliable information on why SpitXIV is uber.

I'm waiting...

mx22

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by mx22:
RAM give me a reliable information on why SpitXIV is uber.

I'm waiting...

mx22

Speed----------->faster than a P51
Climbrate------->Better than a 109G10
Acceleration---->roughly equal to a 109G10 if not better
Turning--------->Equal if not better to SpitIX (only that has more problems due to higher and opposite torque)
Weapons--------->Heavy firepowed, as all the spits.
E-Retention----->Simply wonderful, as every spits.
General Performance at all altitudes is outstanding. Low on the deck or high at 25K SpitXIV retains its performance.

The only 3 problems with a SpitXIV are:
Low endurance------->not serious problem in an arena environment.

Weak airframe------->To note it you must be hit  

HIspeed control----->All spitfires suffer from stiffening controls over 350IAS. Still, Me109 has much worse problems and we all see how it does perform.


Mx22, must I have to keep on with this or is enough?. SpitXIV is an unbalancing monster, you want it or not. Still I say: put it on the planeset. but please gimme a D9 in wich I can hold my own against such a monster!

[Nath-BDP]

 

[RAM]

Nath, hehehe I love you   nice study...

Mx22.....DANNNNG DANNNNNG!!! you hear the bells?...

I do

 

[mx22]

<cough>,

Spit14 max speed at is 420  --> Less then that of P-51
Climb ---> max of 4,580. Again BF109G10 beats Spitfire in this.
acceleration---> have no idea, my books does not give this one.
turning ---> similar to SpitIX. I have previously posted information on this. Enormous torque of Griffon engine will though make it quiet a problem to fight at slow speed.

So what's in this is so WONDERFUL, that you consider this to be an uber plane? If you regard it as uber, please put FW190D9 alongside, as well as BF109G10 (because it just climbs better then rest of planes). Of course that would again leave RAF in deficit of even a midwar (1943) design Spitfire. Tempest is not an answer to the question either, why is that one of the most influencial planes of WW2 should be stopped in AH at 1942 design? You have both 1944 FW190 and BF109, but RAF can't have planes of same time period?
I might belong to RAF squadron in AH, but I lately don't see a reason for me to fly any of the RAF planes. They just simply don't have what it takes to make the job done in arena full of planes that can do it all much better.

mx22

[mx22]

Nath,

Have this book, though next time it would be helpfull to know where the scan came from. Note to RAM, this trials were conducted in 1943 with captured German planes. I belive this would be FW190A3 and BF109G6. Opps RAM seems like tests were run against earlier model German planes....

mx22

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by mx22:
Nath,

Have this book, though next time it would be helpfull to know where the scan came from. Note to RAM, this trials were conducted in 1943 with captured German planes. I belive this would be FW190A3 and BF109G6. Opps RAM seems like tests were run against earlier model German planes....

mx22

lol!...good try. But not enough. You first come with asking for a proof about SXIV's uberness and when they put it just in front of your face you set it aside and say "nah, I think that is not right"

Spit 420m MPH?...re read the article...says that spit XIV is 25-35mph faster than IX at all altitudes...what is 20k SpitIX speed? (not in AH as here is faster)...410mph.. so the SLOWER that XIV will be is 435...hummm...that sounds near Mustang....


and low in the deck, 25-35 mph faster thna Spit IX makes XIV FASTER than P51....

hummmm...something to think about isnt it?

 

. I belive this would be FW190A3 and BF109G6. Opps RAM seems like tests were run against earlier model German planes....

First...re read the article because you need glasses...it says: "Early in 1944 the air development unit of..."
Early in 1944. umm...44...that is not 43. And in early 44 RAF had A5s captured in their stock...umph. MX...MEEECC!!! you missed your target, sir...best luck next time.

Anyway, and for any doubts involved, Fw190A3 had 100hp less in an airframe much lighter than A5. So the performance should be the same. MEEEEC! Missed target another time, mx!
So the test would be comparable in a fw190A5...ooo...you missed your target AT ALL!.


About your "torque" problem...yup I thought it had it too. Well seems the only problem was the opposite direction of the torque. but that is not a big problem. The torque itself wasnt quite more noticeable than in Spit IX re read the study please...
"its maneouvrability is as good as a MkIX. It is easy to fly but should be handled with care in take offs and landings"

MEEEC missed target again...your aim is very bad Mx...that or your reading skills are really poor, sir.

Not so but you say that you dont know how will SPit XIV accelerate...LOL in a 2200hp plane lighter than a 109G10 you ask that?...hehehe MEEEC!!! missed target again!! hey man...your aiming sucks!!!!!


Mx22...as I said good try but I know to read. That study says enuf. a prototype of spit XIV was making a Spit IX seem a little kitty and with a Fw190A was making the wuerger seem a birdie.



[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 06-24-2000).]

[RAM]

Mx22, as a side note, if you want a 420mph, 4500feet/minute, monster torque plane labelled as a SpitXIV, its all yours and I wont ask for a D9.

If you want a accurate modelled SpitXIV gimme the damned dora-9 and be happy that its not in the uberplaneset.

[Karnak]

I know I said I wouldn't talk about this again, but Mx22, RAM is right about the numbers.

Speed:  Maximum of 448 (Don't know the altitud, but around 20,000-25,000 ft.)
Climb:  4580, almost exactly the same as the G-10.  Low alt G-10 is faster, high alt Spit is faster.
Turn:  As good or better than the MkIX except in opposite direction.
Acceration:  Damn good.  Five paddles bladded prop driven by a 2,030Hp engine.
Low Speed Handling:  Bad when on ground, fine once airbourne.
Firepower:  Good as per all Spits after V.  Low ammo endurance.
Structure:  Strengthed over MkIX.  More armor to deal with 30mm shells.
Visiblity:  Good.  Sloped nose helps even without the "bubble" hood.

We will see it someday, but lets let HTC do it in their own time, when they judge the balance ready to take it.

Sisu
-Karnak

[Hristo]

The 262 problem was not the plane itself. It was the disasterous war situation at the time, stupid decisions by authorities and general poor condition of Luftwaffe structure at the end of the war.

Just imagine few hundred 262s allowed to grab alt and intercept buffs back in 1943.


 

Originally posted by Nashwan:

Hristos, you list 6 aces in the 262. Out of how many aces the LW produced? Several thousand, iirc.
 

Those 6 have 10+ victories. There are more with less than 10. Given the time span and situation they flew, the record is impressive.

 

So all these resources were devoted to it, it operated in a target rich enviroment, it could fly 100mph faster than it's oposition, and in 8 months of fighting it produced a handfull of aces. Doesn't that suggest problems to you?

The reason is that Luftwaffe fought against incredible odds at the time. The record of 262 is quite remarkable. Often 20 262s would attack formations of up to hundreds of bombers and escorts.

262s were vulched on takeoffs and landings. How about the orders to strafe 262 chutes ? (oops, guilty for some of those myself  )

[HABICHT]

I'm a Luftwobble and i'll die in LW planes.

give the tommies the spit14
and give us a right modelled 190D9

that's all

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"Die Ta 152 war meine Überlebensversicherung in den letzten Tagen des Krieges" OFw Willi Reschke, Ritterkreuzträger, 38 Abschüsse

[This message has been edited by HABICHT (edited 06-25-2000).]

[pzvg]

Ya know it really don't matter what the books say, 'cuz you clowns will be driving it   some of you will be very good, some, ah, not so good  But I really don't expect anything approaching reality in this arena.
"Hi-tech, that wind shear at 10k is too much to deal with, turn it off please" Bah would ya ask GOD to turn off the frigging wind so you can pretend to be a flying badass? bring on the 14,and the D9,Ta152,ME262, (hell go down the list and add them all) just stop crying about it already. "I want to be competitive" you know what? so did the Poles in '39, BFD life is what happens while you were making other plans  
I've gone against 262's in a zeke in WB's I died often, but I did kill one now that is competitive.

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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"

[juzz]

TEMPEST! TEMPEST! TEMPEST!  

[jmccaul]

Quote RAM

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Before they flew against V-1s, But I dont regard that as combat missions...not at all.
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In that case i don't regard shooting down bombers as combat missions  

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by jmccaul:
In that case i don't regard shooting down bombers as combat missions  

At least the bombers fire back!!