Ok if we're goig to have Pw blackouts. How about the flying torches?

[Yeager]

a plane that is engulfed in flames will not be involved in ACM.  HT should have built in a performance limiter that kicks in any time a plane is on fire. 

Fire = Game over.  Bail out or die.

[FiLtH]

  I think a burning plane should instantly eject the pilot. We'd still see the cool flame effect of a plane dive to earth ablaze, and wouldnt have to worry about him anymore.

[frank3]

What about anti-fire?

Some flames could be put out by diving really fast/steep? Would be nice to have that modelled too.
Or even fire-extinghuishers in the engines!

[TexMurphy]

Id like to be able to put out the fire.

Either through diving or through use of extinguishers (spelling?).

Ofcourse it shouldnt be 100% but it should be possible.

Tex

[Kazaa]

Ok its no big secret how much I positively LOATHE the way pilot wounds are modeled.

But if we have something for that.
What about the flying torches that continue to fight as though everything is hunky dory for several minutes after the engine catches fire.
Surely something  like plane becoming a flying torch would be somewhat disturbing, if not downright distracting to the pilot of the plane considering fire is supposed to be one of, if not the most horrible and painful ways to die. Not to mention the nervousness that would be created at the thought that the plane was likely to explode at any moment.

I mean how many pilots once their plane caught fire continued fighting in spite of their plane becomming a flying meteor?

Surely  if pilot wounds can and should  be modeled to absurdity. The same can be said for the flying fighting torch.

Sounds like you've been shot down by a burning zeke again.

[Rising41]

Zero's had a CO2 system that in theory discharged co2 into a burning fuel tank to smother the fire.

Guncam footage seems to prove it was not very effective. I'm unsure if any other aircraft had such a system in place. With self sealing tanks being the norm on allied aircraft. Diving to put out a fire would require lots of alt and speed. Sheding some control surfaces along the way in the dive. Basicaly still taking the flamer outa the action.


Riceball

[Crash Orange]

What about anti-fire?

Some flames could be put out by diving really fast/steep? Would be nice to have that modelled too.

In multiengine planes, maybe. In a single-engine plane you should get maybe 2 seconds then a 2-3 second fade to redout. Even if the fire isn't actually in the cockpit I think the pilot would very quickly have nothing on his mind other than getting out of the cockpit as soon as humanly possible. Also, I suspect most fires that were successfully put out were less serious than the catastrophic fuel tank failures that would create the 50-foot flame trail we see from burning planes in AH2.

Zekes seem to have even more ridiculous ability than any other plane to fight on for a few minutes as roman candles.

I'm not sure which I hate more, unrealistic (lack of) consequences of fire or the awful pilot wound mechanics. IMHO pilot wounds would be better modeled by having all control inputs reduced by a random factor and a random (from moment to moment) extra damping on them, and lowering the threshold for blackout to 2 or 3 Gs.

[DREDIOCK]

Sounds like you've been shot down by a burning zeke again.

Actually no. I came up with the thought as I was comming out of yet another total blackout and  saw a zeke on fire flying around as if nothing was wrong doing ACMs and shooting at people.
3 blackouts later he finally went boom. AFTER someone else finished him off.

As for me. I augered as I entered the very predictable final approach blackout and overshot the runway

[DREDIOCK]

I'm not sure which I hate more, unrealistic (lack of) consequences of fire or the awful pilot wound mechanics. IMHO pilot wounds would be better modeled by having all control inputs reduced by a random factor and a random (from moment to moment) extra damping on them, and lowering the threshold for blackout to 2 or 3 Gs.

Damn good constructive idea for addressing pilot wounds

[Boxboy]

Yeah but vapor doesn't burn for very long if the tank is empty. Empty fuel tanks that catch fire should only burn for a few seconds then they would burn themselves out.

Normally when vapor goes it goes as an explosion, and the explosion should cause catostrophic damage ie plane goes down.

[Masherbrum]

Normally when vapor goes it goes as an explosion, and the explosion should cause catostrophic damage ie plane goes down.

Bingo.   

Larry, it isn't that simple.   A lot more factors come into play that can "prolong" the "burn out", per se.   

Regardless, something needs to be done.

[caldera]

Bingo.   

Larry, it isn't that simple.   A lot more factors come into play that can "prolong" the "burn out", per se.   

Regardless, something needs to be done.

Doesn't a fire melt or at least structurally weaken aluminum?  I could imagine a plane flying around for a bit while on fire, but not doing maneuvers.  That puts a lot more stress on the plane than flying it straight and level. The japanese airframes, in particular, were'nt known for their robust construction.

[Chilli]

a plane that is engulfed in flames will not be involved in ACM.  HT should have built in a performance limiter that kicks in any time a plane is on fire. 

Fire = Game over.  Bail out or die.

Depending on the area flamed, maybe simulate damage to structures.  Wing tanks involved aileron control is lost.  Engine involved, loss of power to that engine.  The longer the plane is ablaze, the more structures are damaged or destroyed:  flaps, wing portions, engine oil, pilot blacked out, etc.

[RoGenT]

I know if the pony D catches fire; it only burns for about 10 seconds if that before the wing comes off 



As for Dred's idea, I agree 

[Roundeye]

This was brought up a couple of years ago and someone had a great idea:  Make the pilot flail about screaming and unable to fly correctly.