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Re: critique my film
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 04:12:57 AM »
With the zero you should have just kept going straight after the merge.  You have zero hope of turning a yak with a zeke co E.  But what I would have done is extended a few K then reversed to him once or twice all the while gaining energy at a faster rate than the zero can.  Then I would have out zoomed and BnZed him to death.

The P-38 one was almost painful to watch as both of you were making mistakes left and right.  An average 38 pilot could have peppered you to death firing 800 yards out from the merge the way you held zero angle off target 4-5 seconds before the merge.  After the merge you made a flat turn vs a faster plane which would have promptly got you back to the tower if I was the 38.  If you don't have the energy to make a vertical or vertical oblique turn, then either extend or go under (split-s).  A flat turn after an initial merge will likely get you killed vs an average player.

The 2nd pass on your six an average pilot should have killed you.  You were not doing much of a guns defense.  When in doubt with a faster bandit diving in on your six, the best place to go is under (slice back or split-s).  If he's already faster than you, the average pilot will not be able to follow a nose low reversal.  Fortunately he wasn't a good shot, and kept overshooting.  But I wanted to make you aware that you were making yourself a good target the 2-3 times he came diving on your six after the initial merge.

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Re: critique my film
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 07:46:01 AM »
Go here

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/overshoot/overshoot.htm

Go to the bottom and click on murders barrel roll defense film package.  You had some times when I think you could have set this up, but instead started a gentle flat scissor.   
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Re: critique my film
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 09:39:14 AM »
Please edit your films so I don't have to watch you take off.

An average 38 pilot could have peppered you to death firing 800 yards

That wouldn't be 'spray n' pray?' :D ;)
« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 10:25:45 AM by Anaxogoras »
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Re: critique my film
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 04:24:29 PM »
With the zero you should have just kept going straight after the merge.  You have zero hope of turning a yak with a zeke co E.  But what I would have done is extended a few K then reversed to him once or twice all the while gaining energy at a faster rate than the zero can.  Then I would have out zoomed and BnZed him to death.

The P-38 one was almost painful to watch as both of you were making mistakes left and right.  An average 38 pilot could have peppered you to death firing 800 yards out from the merge the way you held zero angle off target 4-5 seconds before the merge.  After the merge you made a flat turn vs a faster plane which would have promptly got you back to the tower if I was the 38.  If you don't have the energy to make a vertical or vertical oblique turn, then either extend or go under (split-s).  A flat turn after an initial merge will likely get you killed vs an average player.

The 2nd pass on your six an average pilot should have killed you.  You were not doing much of a guns defense.  When in doubt with a faster bandit diving in on your six, the best place to go is under (slice back or split-s).  If he's already faster than you, the average pilot will not be able to follow a nose low reversal.  Fortunately he wasn't a good shot, and kept overshooting.  But I wanted to make you aware that you were making yourself a good target the 2-3 times he came diving on your six after the initial merge.

thanks. i know i need years of practice before i stop sucking. andi  do know i'm a good target because i die very often in the MA.

Go here

http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/overshoot/overshoot.htm

Go to the bottom and click on murders barrel roll defense film package.  You had some times when I think you could have set this up, but instead started a gentle flat scissor.   

i'm going to review those some more.
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Re: critique my film
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 05:07:52 PM »
thanks. i know i need years of practice before i stop sucking.

Well I have good news for you. If you apply yourself, learn from your mistakes, learn the strengths, weaknesses and nuances of each plane in the stable, in a month you'll be able to put up a fight.  In  a few months you'll be able to compete with 80% of the MA.  After a year you'll be trading punches with 95% of the MA.  Forget about the other 5%, unless you are gifted, truly gifted. No offense but they have years of headstart.
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Re: critique my film
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 05:30:26 PM »
You have zero hope of turning a yak with a zeke co E.  But what I would have done is extended a few K then reversed to him once or twice all the while gaining energy at a faster rate than the zero can.  Then I would have out zoomed and BnZed him to death.

a question on this?

when i was still flying the zeek, i had helbent(i think) and another both in p38's caught me lower than they were. they tried bnz'ing me, and i managed to evade their passes....but on each evasion, i also managed to grab alt. after about the 4th or 5th pass, i was co-alt. at this point they left. i tried chasing them, as i was pretty much expecting to see a par of 38's come back with a major speed advantage, but they didn't. i'm NOT critisizing them for leaving, or for their fighting styles. i have pretty much respect for helbent in that 38. what i AM wondering about, is that if the 38 can outzoom the zeek(i know it can), then how did i managed to get to a co-alt position ? i dont thinki had film running for that fight, although i wish i did.
 would it be only because they gave me too much breathing room between passes? i have noticed that the zeek in some instances will hold a decent roc for a few seconds, albiet at a very low airspeed.


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Re: critique my film
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2009, 05:40:38 PM »
a question on this?

when i was still flying the zeek, i had helbent(i think) and another both in p38's caught me lower than they were. they tried bnz'ing me, and i managed to evade their passes....but on each evasion, i also managed to grab alt. after about the 4th or 5th pass, i was co-alt. at this point they left. i tried chasing them, as i was pretty much expecting to see a par of 38's come back with a major speed advantage, but they didn't. i'm NOT critisizing them for leaving, or for their fighting styles. i have pretty much respect for helbent in that 38. what i AM wondering about, is that if the 38 can outzoom the zeek(i know it can), then how did i managed to get to a co-alt position ? i dont thinki had film running for that fight, although i wish i did.
 would it be only because they gave me too much breathing room between passes? i have noticed that the zeek in some instances will hold a decent roc for a few seconds, albiet at a very low airspeed.


thanks!!


They probably just got sick of being out flown. 4 or 5 passes?    :uhoh
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Re: critique my film
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2009, 06:46:31 PM »
what i AM wondering about, is that if the 38 can outzoom the zeek(i know it can), then how did i managed to get to a co-alt position ? i dont thinki had film running for that fight, although i wish i did.
 would it be only because they gave me too much breathing room between passes?

That could be part of it.  Another part could be that your were managing your E well. 

thanks. i know i need years of practice before i stop sucking. andi  do know i'm a good target because i die very often in the MA.

i'm going to review those some more.

Well, being a target is a path to learning good guns defense.  Get shot enough times in many different situations, and you start to anticipate those shots coming before it fully evolves.  Pair that up with a bit of experience of fighting guys that always seem to foil your shots.  Then try to emulate what worked for someone else when you see someone is about to get guns on you.  I (sort of) place myself in the shooters cockpit and then maneuver where it would be hardest for them to connect a shot without even thinking about it. 

I didn't suggest the film package jerkins posted because an eye for guns defense is kind of prerequesite to the barrel roll defense show in those films. 

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Re: critique my film
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 07:05:40 PM »
a question on this?

when i was still flying the zeek, i had helbent(i think) and another both in p38's caught me lower than they were. they tried bnz'ing me, and i managed to evade their passes....but on each evasion, i also managed to grab alt. after about the 4th or 5th pass, i was co-alt. at this point they left. i tried chasing them, as i was pretty much expecting to see a par of 38's come back with a major speed advantage, but they didn't. i'm NOT critisizing them for leaving, or for their fighting styles. i have pretty much respect for helbent in that 38. what i AM wondering about, is that if the 38 can outzoom the zeek(i know it can), then how did i managed to get to a co-alt position ? i dont thinki had film running for that fight, although i wish i did.
 would it be only because they gave me too much breathing room between passes? i have noticed that the zeek in some instances will hold a decent roc for a few seconds, albiet at a very low airspeed.


thanks!!


Not having seen the fight myself, I can only guess, but...

If they zoom and don't maintain a position over your head (vertical seperation, without much horizontal seperation), they'll lose E each time they have to dive back "over" to you.  You may have done it accidentally, but as the lower, slower guy, maximizing horizontal seperation works to your benefit.  

I have a film that illustrates this pretty well; I'll post it in a seperate thread to avoid the hijack...


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