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Offline Bark0

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Re: Pilot and P-40 lost nearby Yesterday
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2009, 07:00:07 PM »
I thank Both Men for taking the time out of their days to Rebuild/Restore the Aircraft that so few realized were slowly fading away to the past. Not many Warbirds are left flying today.

 :salute Rest in peace. May you fly again, Waving to the Angels Above the clouds.

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Offline Golfer

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Re: Pilot and P-40 lost nearby Yesterday
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2009, 03:36:41 PM »
Not many Warbirds are left flying today.


Thanks to folks like them and others there are more flying today than there were 5 years ago.   :salute

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Re: Pilot and P-40 lost nearby Yesterday
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 04:00:47 PM »
What a tragedy. Shows how dangerous these old war planes can be doing airshow routines, something they were never designed for. Can kill even the best of pilots.

Rest in peace Robert Baranackas. Thank you for the wonderful displays.
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Re: Pilot and P-40 lost nearby Yesterday
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2009, 08:20:02 PM »
What a tragedy. Shows how dangerous these old war planes can be doing airshow routines, something they were never designed for. Can kill even the best of pilots.

Rest in peace Robert Baranackas. Thank you for the wonderful displays.

Bob was practicing over water, which some believe makes it even more dangerous. I was talking with Dudley Henriques about this accident. Dudley piloted his P-51D in air shows for many years. His take, based upon what we know, is that Bob suffered from momentary spatial disorientation, when the ocean and sky are difficult to delineate. Dudley thinks that this delayed Bob's reaction to his predicament, which resulted in his not having enough altitude remaining to recover.

Dudley discussed this in an e-mail as well. He wrote:

"Not being LOA in the P-40, my opinion is somewhat restricted, but if indeed the scenario involved a high speed stall out of a nose high turn, the situation could easily have been exacerbated by the over water issue. An accelerated stall in a nose high turn could easily have introduced a yaw input into the stall break equation. This would indeed, considering that there was at least a high cruise or METO power involved at the break, pull the wing down quickly as Chris has noted.

I wouldn't say flat spin per se from this scenario but rather a quick nose down PSG going into auto-rotation in whatever spin axis was being formed by the cg location at the time of the stall break.

Recovery from such a situation at 2000 feet in any prop fighter would require instant power reduction and instant anti-spin control inputs simultaneously married to a reduction in angle of attack.

My understanding is that Baranaskas held an ACES waiver for loops only and that he was an extremely competent pilot in prop fighters. With this in mind, I would be taking a long serious look into the possibility that the over water flight scenario at the stall break caused enough disorientation through the break that it caused his recovery control input to lag just enough that he ran out of air.

I believe strongly, future NTSB report notwithstanding, that had the stall occurred over land, he might have recovered the airplane in the room provided."


My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

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Re: Pilot and P-40 lost nearby Yesterday
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2009, 05:50:35 AM »
Thank you for posting that. Seems like circumstances conspired to rob him of any chance of recovering. War bird display pilots have my utmost respect; when I see a Pitts Special or a Su-31 do their hair-raising routines I'm never really as impressed as when I see a war bird do a much simpler loop and wing-over. To put it in AH terms: The Su-31 is a noob-ride UFO compared to a war bird, even a Spitfire.
It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

-Gandhi