IMPLEMENT THE STUKA

[Staga]

Of course Ju-52 will have price-tag of 10 perkpoints  

[Karnak]

Blauk, Staga,

I don't think there is a conflict between the two.  There is, rather, a choice, just as there is between the Lancaster's bombload and B-17G's defensive firepower.

The Ju52 has a single light machine gun, 7.92mm, defending it but only has a top speed of 178mph.

The C-47A has no guns but reaches a speed of 229mph.

I know which one I'd take, and I suspect most people, and that would be the faster one.  A single light machine gun simply doesn't change the odds enough.

I think the Ju52 would make a great armed alternative to the C-47A.

[Jochen]

Ph34r mY Stuk4!!!

[Mettius]

Originally posted by Greedz:
[QB]I think it would be a very cool idea to add the Junkers Ju.87 'Stuka' Dive Bomber to the aces high arsenal.
QB]

Yes please Bring the Stuka to the game!!!
We need a D and G model. Oh what a happy day it would be if I could fly in my beutiful Stuka again!

[DingHao2]

If the germans are expected to get ANY chance of winning in the HA, they'll be needin a heavy bomber.  If the Ju-88 can get the job done, karnak, then tell me when the last time u saw one...that's just how useful it is.

[Karnak]

Ding,

I fly the Ju88 in the MA in preference over the B-26.  

Edit:

And who says the Germans are supposed to win?  I thought the idea was to use the tools they had.

If the He177 gets added to the CT as a free plane, you'll never see Ju88s anymore.

Who, historicly, operated the better heavy bombers and operated in force?  Germany, America or Britain?  In reality, the Americans and British, if the He177 is put in the CT as a freebie then it'll be the Germans.

You guys want a fantasy arena to match the LW romances where the LW held all of the cards.

That's just not right.

[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[Professor Fate]

Geez I can see it now the Russian Front! 190F-8's, Ju87G-2s, 109/190 escorts against a massive wall of Russian armor and air cover or vice versa.  No ships, no high alt bombers closing airfields and fuel depots with pin point accuracy.  Just slug it out low level where the ground units advance over running cities and factories that only they can capture and control.

[SpitLead]

If the Stuka DOES get modeled I think HTC should add the trademark siren sound whenever you push the airplane over into a steep dive. Maybe make it so any GVs within d3.0 can hear it. Talk about sending shivers up your back if your sitting there in a Panzer and you hear the siren of a JU87.  You hold your breath and hope is isnt' dropping a bomb on YOUR head  

[Professor Fate]

I believe the late model Ju87's had the sirens removed and siren mounts faired over.

[Staga]

Karnak Germany DID have He-177.

You really think only german unperked bomber in AH should be Ju-88 from 1940 ?

Oh and B-17 is still better bomber than He-177 IMO.

[Karnak]

Staga,

I have absolutely no problem with an unperked He177 in the MA. I think that the He177 would make a nice addition to the MA as a freebie aircraft.

I have huge problems with an unperked He177 in the CT. Germany did not have the heavy bomber force of the USAAF or RAF.  They didn't even have anything that resembled it. Adding an unperked He177 into the Combat Theatre would put Germany on even footing with the British and Americans as far as their bomber force is considered, a position that Germany did not enjoy in  reality.

I also think that the Do17, Do217, He111, Ju87 and Ju188 will be good additions to the MA and CT at some point.

[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[GRUNHERZ]

I think I agree on the He177 being a bit unfair for the CT.

However not all Allied bombers were B26s, Lancs or B17s.

There were numerous important allied designs that saw wide use that were slower, or had less defensive guns, or smaller defensive guns, or had less bomb load, etc than the B17/26/Lanc.

So to be honest the allied bomber position in CT isnt exactly fair either.

Plus one final thing I must add about CT bombers is the "adjusted guns". I think HTC should in the future make a new buff gun model for use in the CT. This would encourage formation tactics and make lone bombers be less useful.

A new more "accurate" bomb aiming system should also be made, maybe like the WB system I hear of wher buff must hold course for X time if aim is to accurate.

I also think it would be useful to limit the outside type views in buffs so that the level autopilot engages whenever outside view is selected.

[illo]

By the way, the G model had 37mm guns under the wings, not 30mm. They were adapted from an early war Werhmacht AT gun

AFAIK two cannons in Ju87G-1 "Kanonenvogel"  were converted from 3.7cm FlaK/36 AA-gun.


It was Rudel's idea to install these guns in his Stuka.  Special wolfram(aka tungsten) cored ammo was used to make it effective against T-34s and KVs. Anyway I think only handful of these birds were ever used.
 In the battle of Kursk Rudel flew Ju87-G1 but still most of his flight used unmodified Stukas.

[ 08-16-2001: Message edited by: illo ]

[DingHao2]

Originally posted by Karnak:

I fly the Ju88 in the MA in preference over the B-26.
--Why do you prefer the Ju-88 over the B-26? How often do u get shot down in that 88 of your's?

I thought the idea was to use the tools they had.
--One of those tools that the Germans had was called the He-177 "Greif".

If the He177 gets added to the CT as a free plane, you'll never see Ju88s anymore.
--Not if an He-177 can only carry 15 50 kg's or 2 fritz's...then many people will still take out an 88 to egg acks @ fields.

Who, historicly, operated the better heavy bombers and operated in force?  Germany, America or Britain?
--A good reason why a RPS should be implemented w/ a limit on the % of planes being of a certain type.

In reality, the Americans and British, if the He177 is put in the CT as a freebie then it'll be the Germans.
--Not if the German bird can carry a limited # of eggs for ack busting.  But still useful in the fact that it's got more defensive armament than the other german egger.

[illo]

Yes, He177 Greif is an excellent heavy bomber.
-Fast
-Heavily armed
-Good bombload

Also it's anti-shipping missiles/radioguided bombs could be nice add to game.