Can we fix the 190A5?

[RMrider]

I know it looks like we have enough 190 variants already, but all of them except the D9 are basically targets in LW and arguably even MW in terms of performance.

I respectuflly disagree, Iv spent 4 years worth of time in only 190s and 109s, the 190s are VERY capable once you work out the quirks in them. A8 and F8 are the two most difficult to dogfight in, and i see where your comming from, the things cant turn for chit, but thier roll rate, guns, and ruggeddness can make for a tough match against any Spitfire 

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

Down with hybridization!


Right now thats my major concern, how many planes in aces high can be hybridization.


 

[Cajunn]

I was told in a email from Hitech that the 109G10 was a hybrid and that's the reason we don't have it anymore. But there was a 109 G10 so I don't know why they would remove it. And I rather keep the 190 A5 the way it is then lose it........ 

[mechanic]

More speed can be a disadvantage.

[BnZs]

I respectuflly disagree, Iv spent 4 years worth of time in only 190s and 109s, the 190s are VERY capable once you work out the quirks in them. A8 and F8 are the two most difficult to dogfight in, and i see where your comming from, the things cant turn for chit, but thier roll rate, guns, and ruggeddness can make for a tough match against any Spitfire 

My personal k/d for today in a 190 A-5 is 5/0. I flew the thing exclusively for several tours and averaged a k/d of around 3. This says nothing about the planes effectiveness, and everything about how an experienced player can make hay in darn near any plane.

guns

The 190 A-5 with four cannons is somewhat more lethal than 2xHispanos+2x.50s....for 10 seconds until it runs out of rocks in the MG/FFs, at which point it becomes decidedly *less* lethal.

According to DokGonzo's, a Typhoon or other 4xHispano bird is slightly more lethal than a 190 A-8 with four cannons and the 13MM machine guns.

The 190 A-5 and the A-8 in AHII have no acceleration advantage over the P-51D, and are out-accelerated by the 109G6. Compare with this:



It will never be a great turn-fighter, but the fact that we have an under-performing A-5 and an overweight A-8 just adds insult to injury.

[mechanic]

the A5 with 2 x 20mm is a different beast to the 4 gun version. Has anyone confirmed which loadout was used for any of the tests both real and virtual?

[RMrider]

BnZ i am in no way saying that statistically matched up the 190s are uber, the A5 gets PWND by many planes in AH. And your right in the fact that pilot skills have everything to do with the fight.

Several underclassed planes can own late war uber rides if flown correctly.

[BnZs]

the A5 with 2 x 20mm is a different beast to the 4 gun version. Has anyone confirmed which loadout was used for any of the tests both real and virtual?

The weight increase with the 4 guns vs. the 2 guns is only about 2%, even with 25% fuel.

I haven't scientifically tested its effect on roll rate, but I don't *feel* like there is much difference. Retains adequate roll rate either way, to say the least.

[BnZs]

BnZ i am in no way saying that statistically matched up the 190s are uber, the A5 gets PWND by many planes in AH. And your right in the fact that pilot skills have everything to do with the fight.

Several underclassed planes can own late war uber rides if flown correctly.

No problem bro.

Obviously, if you click on 190 in the hangar, you aren't going for an uber-plane. However, this was a "plane of fame" that was considered fairly competitive in the ETO, my favorite "Bad Guy" plane if you will. Why should a plane that isn't uber to begin with be somewhat nerfed? I don't like having only an Anton with early war performance and an Anton that is a great heavy buff-hunter to choose between. The Dora monster just doesn't have the same beauty as a radial type. I'd like to see a more competitive Anton so the grand old bird could live up to its deserved reputation as a Luftwaffe classic.

[Anaxogoras]

The P-51 and 190 are supposed to out-accelerate the Tempest?

[BnZs]

The P-51 and 190 are supposed to out-accelerate the Tempest?

On a power/mass basis it is plausible Anax. The P-51's very low drag is a factor.

[Anaxogoras]

Oh, I'm not saying it's implausible, but it's the exact opposite of AH.

[eddiek]

I agree, find and fix the reason the 190A5 is missing speed, especially at S/L.
Now about the the higher boost A5, I disagree, for reasons I stated in DieHard's thread about adding more Ponies.

[BnZs]

Did the math.

Fw-190A5, 4 cannons, 100% 1,700HP/8,780 lbs=.193 hp/lbs

P-51D    75%  1,720HP/9,746 lbs=.176 hp/lbs

P-51D    50%  1,720HP/9,368 lbs=.183 hp/lbs

TempestV 100% 2,180Hp/11,400 lbs=.191 hp/lbs

[moot]

Compare the 152 as well...