Customer Poll results

[Karnak]

The top 3 choices are, as of Rocket's post, by scoring system, as follows:

Unweighted Score:
Fw190D-9: 78
Spitfire MkXIV: 54
Ta152H-1: 49

Weighted Score:
Fw190D-9: 178
Spitfire MkXIV: 109
Ta152H-1: 102

The Spitfire MkXIV is leading the Ta152H-1 right now.  Both are far behind the Fw190D-9.

Sisu
-Karnak

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Dinger:


(Oh, and BTW: the Ta-152 will definitely be a perk plane.  The F8 won't.  Will the Dora? Those of you already squeaking about something that you haven't even seen should consider voting for non-perkable aircraft)

Dinger


[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 10-24-2000).]

Dinger, first of all. I dont say (will never dare to do) what HTC has to do, but the D9 petition is massive. So I guess they'll include it.

Second of all; you said that the vote of the people who voted for all same country planes should be DELETED, and NOT TAKEN IN ACCOUNT. This is intolerable from my point of view.

third of all; If Fw190D9 is perked, is perked.I doubt it will be, but Is HTC's choice, and they are free to do as they feel is right,its their company ,game and decission.

 But I want that damned plane in AH and I vote it. And I want to see a Ta152 modelled, and I vote it. I vote the plane I want, regardelss if it is perk, non perk, uberperk, supraperk or gallactical TIE fighter. You are noone to say what must I vote or not ,if it is perked or not... Is what I want and I say it.

You can agree or disagree with people.

But you can't say "delete their posts" because they voted as you don't think is right.

You can't say "vote this, not that" to make people not vote perk planes.

HTC will look at the poll and extract their own conclusions. They won't pass over people's votes, they maybe will choose two or three planes from that list and, who knows, model them for 1.06 or whenever they can.

Your posts are inadmissible. Agree or disagree but respect the other's vote!

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-24-2000).]

[Dinger]

Hey, this ain't a democracy.  They have the right to exclude any vote they want, and they will exclude some votes.  I don't see Hairball's opinion counting for much.
And I can say "Delete their votes" if I choose; and HTC can go ahead and do so, but come on, the folks at HTC are not stupid.
But I did piss you off (no points for RAM-baiting, I guess) ; and further I succeeded in pointing out a simple detail:
if HTC implements a single plane, the all-FW ticket will help your cause.
if HTC implements two or more, voting all-FW is foolish.
Come on, the FWs are the only axis planes out there.  Do you really think these guys would piss all the JGs off by making even more Allied late-war variants?  But if you vote all-FW, you're effectively excluding yourself from deciding which one you'd like to see, and your votes are de facto cut out.

I can certainly say "vote this, don't vote that" if I feel like it.  This is what campaigning is all about.  Of course, campaigning can only hurt axis fans: 11 possible planes, and only 3 are axis, and all those 3 will be based on the 190 model.  If the allies got organized and actively campaigned for say the Tempest V, Spit XIV and P47M, the votes would look different.  
 
Furthermore, I don't care about perk planes, and refuse to express an opinion until the system is implemented.  But there are plenty of people who do, and if they are worried about it, they shouldn't vote for planes that will be perked. And it's perfectly legitimate to point this out to those who vote.

Finally, none of this has to do with respecting or disrespecting anybody's vote. I did not say that the all-FW or all-allied votes were unworthy of respect.

[This message has been edited by Dinger (edited 10-24-2000).]

[LJK_Reschke]

 

Originally posted by Dinger:
Alright guys, let's go through it again, slowly.
First, I ain't gonna whine about anything that is not in a current version of AH.
Second, I usually don't whine about the stuff that's going on in AH anyway.
Third, stop thinking with yer uh -- joysticks and face the facts:
A. HTC is under no obligation to count these votes in the way you tell them.
B. Adding planes is a highly political matter: the designers have to make their selections with an eye to appeasing the most people and pissing off the least.  A lot of this is arena balancing.  Worse, they have to worry about recruiting new players -- anybody notice how only the "FW Fan Club" got upset when I suggested cutting out the "bullet voters"?  Maybe what this game needs is more allied squads.  So I can't imagine them going for 3 FWs.

Yeah I got upset but not because I like LUFTWAFFE planes but because you said "(In short, cut out the guys who vote all allied or all FW. Come on. enough of the Rah-rah crap and get the La-7 in there!)"  I find it EXTREMELY refreshing that Pyro would even consider asking for our opinions on FUTURE planes to be added.  So if you want the La-7 or Spitfire XIV go play FA2 and be happy they are in there since they are the easiest to fly in that game.  Oh but just be prepared that you will not hear from any one associated with the development team since they have been "working" on new maps for almost a year now and the "update/patches" change aircraft performance like the wind changing from north to south.  That is if you ever see another "update/patch" in there.  

I don't care if the planes we voted on come out in 1.05 or not I just would like to see them added at some future date.  For now I can suffice with the D9 and Ta-152 models in CFS and EAW.  But I would like to see them in a game I play more than anything else.

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Dinger:
Hey, this ain't a democracy.  They have the right to exclude any vote they want, and they will exclude some votes.  I don't see Hairball's opinion counting for much.
And I can say "Delete their votes" if I choose; and HTC can go ahead and do so, but come on, the folks at HTC are not stupid

You hit it in the nails. Goal. Home run. Score!.

THEY Can do what they want and delete the votes they want to. YOU can't. It is a difference.

And yess you pissed me off. I find innaceptable that someone has to tell me how to vote, or pretends to delete my vote because I have voted MY favorite planes.

HTC can do what they want and I'll accept it. But they are HTC. You aren't.

I hope that you see the difference, here.

But if you vote all-FW, you're effectively excluding yourself from deciding which one you'd like to see, and your votes are de facto cut out.

And you still say this. Read Pyro's post: he asks for the planes we WANT TO FLY in Aces high. Who are YOU to say that we MUST vote for different countries' planes or our vote is cut and deleted?. Pyro said no words aobut this.

I dont have the desire to fly a SpitXIV, nor a F4U4, nor a La7, nor a P51H, nor any of the other planes, over the desire to fly a 190D9, a 190F8 or a Ta152. If I had been given 4 votes I'd vote for a SpitXIV. but I was given 3, and so I voted the 3 I wanted.

I dont have to put "points" per country. I have to look inside me and say "these are the planes I want to fly". I have to vote my 3 preferences in that list.

And I did just that.

Fw190D9
Fw190F8
Ta152H1
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[edit] Pyro gave us the chance to vote for our preferences, and see where do we end...[/edit]

[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-24-2000).]

[Dinger]

The last time I say anything on this matter.
You're right about what Pyro said.
And, you're right I have no power here, so my statements about cutting out one side or the other are indeed the epitaxis of a contrary-to-fact conditional.
My point is, and I seem to think it hasn't sunk in, that if you want to go ahead and do what Pyro told you, fine; but if you want your vote to have the greatest impact, you should consider how they're going to count it.  The model I'm betting on (and I could be mistaken) is something like:
Use the votes to determine the top three variants of different aircraft.
There's no doubt one will be a FW.  So now, let's consider the LW plane voting separately:

For example:
Ta-152H1: 11 votes
FW-190F8: 12 votes
FW-190D9: 11 votes

If you submit a vote for all of the candidates, you've changed nothing (12-13-12) and you'll be stuck with a lousy ground-pounder instead of some late-war hotrod high-altitude interceptor.
If you vote for only the Ta152, you've actually changed the standings (12-12-11). Then you could use your other two votes against anything equipped with a HS.

In other words, the LW planes are actually competing among themselves (Do you really think they'll come out with both the Dora and the 152?), and the allied planes likewise.
Anyway, your vote is cast, and nobody really knows what goes on at HTC.

[RAM]

If that is what you wanted to mean, allow me to tell you that you did it in a way that noone could see it.

I voted the planes I want. I dont mind other considerations, I was asked to put the planes I want and I did it.

   

Originally posted by Dinger:
In other words, the LW planes are actually competing among themselves (Do you really think they'll come out with both the Dora and the 152?).

Yes, I do. 190D9 as non perk plane and Ta152 as perk plane. Maybe not in the same version, but the first clear perk plane classified is the Ta152. So I have no doubts about wich will be the first perk plane...

Just as I don't have any doubt about 190D9 coming soon  


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 10-24-2000).]