Author Topic: so all these italian fans want an italian bomber? (Read 1161 times)

brady · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2001, 12:41:00 AM »

HEI rounds proved to be very effective aganst aircraft that is whay so many countries used theam aganst aircraft targets, they felt it was a better way to bring aircraft down. Blow away controll surfsaces, set fires , ect...You get more bang for your buck for less weight in an aircraft, HEI ammo is very effective and less weight than AP ammo like the 50 cal round. Ap ammo make nice holes in an aircraft HEI blow's it away. This debate has raged on and on in the end it seams as though the effectivenss of the HEI type ammo is Heigh, it is also a short film, how long did that P 40 remain in the air? I have read numiours acounts of C 202 combats whear Spit's blew up after asorbing damage from the 12.7mm HEI rounds.

gatt · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2001, 12:59:00 AM »

Just take a look at books like Malta: The Hurricane Years, Malta: The Spitfire Years, Hurricanes Over Tobruk, Spitfires Over Sicily, Hell Island ... to check if 2x12,7mm HE and API were enuff or not to stop Hurricanes, Spitfires, P40, Blenheims, B25 and B17. This is history. However I can understand why HTC cannot give 12,7mm the proper hitting power.

Anyway, that P40 was shot down. Those were not fireworks around him

brady · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2001, 01:17:00 AM »

I watched the film a few times and slowed it down I count 8 HEI hits,asuming the chain was all HEI that is prety good damage from just those hits.

Anybody get more hit's counted?

Wotan · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2001, 11:04:00 AM »

that p40s left wing drops and is headed in to the med. Its ded. Theres seems to be very little g-load so there would be no wings or control surfaces coming off.

Also you can count the tracer fire and the number of hits that p40 has taken. However its not clear as to what state that p40 was in prior to that gun cam footage.

That p40 is hardly "still flying" unless you consider a left bank in to the deck as controlled flight.

We have no idea as to what damage those rounds are causing internally and for the most part AH doesn't model that type of damage either. Apart from the smoke it is seems from the debris flying off the p40 that the 12.7 round on the 202 in AH hits no where near as hard as the guncam.