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Offline Scotch

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2009, 03:59:24 PM »
I don't think there's one plane in the set that hasn't been called ez-mode.... Maybe the 190-F8.

Most people still can't fly the 'ez-mode' planes anyways.
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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2009, 04:04:57 PM »
I was bored with EW and MW flying Hurri2c and other cannon birds, because it's too easy to kill with them.  I switched to Hurri-1 with only .303's and have had a blast for the last few months because I actually have to fly and work for kills.

This is as it should be, a constant self-challenge to make yourself fly better.  Pretty soon you wonder why anyone would want to fly a perk plane.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2009, 04:41:25 PM »
My reasoning behind 38s being easy mode (along with Steves 51 :D) is that 38s are one of the fastest planes, one of the best climbers, has great guns, and can out turn anything faster then it except LA and K4 which have also been called easy mode by pilots before.


If a 38 has an alt advantage in a fight its too easy to control a furball since it will out climb any plane that is lower with pretty close speed.

Just about any  plane with an alt advantage is EZ mode.  You haven't said anything.
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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2009, 04:46:53 PM »
My favorite (right now anyways) perk-farming planes are the A6M2 (more maneuvrable and higher ENY than A6M5b) and the 109g2, and the FW 190A-5.  The Yak 9t is also a good perk farmer, and I've had my Yak phases in that bird (not saying I was any good at it, just that I liked to do it).  And then, to blow my perks, I like to fly the 262. 

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2009, 06:02:00 PM »
I can't hit anything in a 38. I see people land multiple kills in them sometimes and just don't get it. Might be that my vertical game is just worse than horizontal in one. The guns dead off the nose in most planes throws my sum off a lot as well.

whatt? p38 guns are some of the easiest to hit with. damn nose mounted deathray.


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2009, 06:07:38 PM »
Just about any  plane with an alt advantage is EZ mode.  You haven't said anything.

Exactly.  It also seems like he has very little experience, if any in the Lightning.


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2009, 07:07:38 PM »
I can't get used to the aim in a 38 is all.
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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2009, 08:14:30 PM »
Just about any  plane with an alt advantage is EZ mode.  You haven't said anything.
But the stengths of this plane make it alot easier to hold the alt above a furball. Spits are actually pretty hard because they cant dive too fast and also they tend to want to turn more, 51s yet alot faster cant handle as good as the 38 so have more problems with the 1 guy who comes in at 20k, F4Us have a horrible climbrate so planes with co E below them can force them to dive away from a furball. 38 is EZ easy mode in MA
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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2009, 12:11:35 AM »
I can't get used to the aim in a 38 is all.

if the gun's are set right.....(cannon)  <---------killer firepower :aok
 you leave the guns set @ default......----------not so much :huh

spend time gettin killed in it and learn to fly it...loads of fun




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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2009, 02:16:16 AM »
But the stengths of this plane make it alot easier to hold the alt above a furball.

No way. You are talking out some orifice other than your mouth.   :D

Holding alt has more to do with speed than climb rate.. although it's not exclusive. Any of the mid to late 109's would be much better suited, d9... serveral others. 38 is a nice plane and the J & L are fairly quick but they have a couple of very very exploitable weaknesses. 
For one, escaping a diving 38 is almost as easy as escaping a diving 109:  Wait til the 38's controls start to get heavy and roll under or break in about any  direction.  This doesn't make for a great BnZ airplane.

Views aren't that great and in a BnZ mode, views are important.

It's a huge target.


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51s yet alot faster cant handle as good as the 38
   Are you high?

Look, I admit the 51 is a mediocre plane compared to other late war rides but in a BnZ mode, it greatly outclasses the 38.
 No, the 38 does not handle better than a pony... No it doesnt. Unless we are talking in mid to slow speed turn. What BnZ guy is going to do that with any expectaion of success?

Here's a good tidbit:  at any speed where the 38J or L does not have flaps out, the 51 turns better.  Seriously.    This is relevent becuase flaps, even one notch, burn E. A BnZ'er who wants to stay alive is going to horde every drop of E.

Here's another tidbit:  the 51D and the 38J & L have almost identical climb rates at MA alts.  in fact, at some MA alts the 51 outclimbs the 38. This is without WEP. With WEP the 38 climbs marginally... marginally better.

Here's another:  the 38 accelerates only marginally better than the 51... and from 0 to 300 they are almost identical.

Zoom: I would imagine the pony is better for 2 reasons: less drag, better elevator authority to get the nose back up after a high speed pass.

Torque: a 51 pilot can make this work to his advantage too, using torque to pull him over at the top of a rope.

Other than lethality and ammo load, I don't see how the 38 is better above a fight than the pony. 


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so have more problems with the 1 guy who comes in at 20k

You're still high?   :D

51 has a significant edge in evading a higher con over the 38. It's faster, has better high speed handling, and is a much smaller target.


If I'm wrong, I'd like to be corrected.  AKAK? 38 sticks?


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2009, 02:29:07 AM »
202 is a blast and so is the hurri1. Don't fly them much in the mains but in the DA I can rack up 4 in a Hurri and 6 in a 202 .....long as i stay outta the furball that is.


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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2009, 03:10:31 AM »
Perk farming....I've been training with da 190A5 for 3 weeks now, made about 900 perks on that. Using a dog in the MA is always more gratifying than using da uber ride, and you feel like actually learning something ! After tunisia I'ill have plenty to spend on some spit14 furballing  :aok

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2009, 03:20:51 AM »
how did those 190 a5's go in the scenario   ?   :D

from my film in frame 2 looked as if you tried to take shots at my beautiful bird a couple of times.

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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2009, 03:36:38 AM »
we didn't go to well in the last frame...I lost my 2 lives for the first time in any scenario ! But I guess staying alive in a scenario higly depends on what both Co's decided. First 2 frames was a blast tho, I reckon I have 5+ in each.
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Re: Back to Basics
« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2009, 04:29:37 AM »
perk the K4 and 38s then  :O perk em I say like early in the mornin when you drink that second cup of coffee and things get perkin
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