Author Topic: Pyro, AH's 190A5 SL speed?? (Read 2661 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #30 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:00:00 AM »

Voss there are indeed well accepted methods to correct level speed results to standard conditions. AFAIK this was common knowledge to all the nations building and testing aircraft during the war.

[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

J_A_B · « **Reply #31 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:36:00 AM »

RAM--

Although it wasn't in AH, in Air Warrior the P-51 was about 15 MPH too slow for a VERY long time. Hardly anybody cared at all, because in AW the P-51 wasn't a popular fighter (sort of like the 190's in AH).

I've come to notice that a lot of people don't care if one plane or another is modeled wrong, unless it's "their" plane (unless of course it's modeled "too well", then the whines never stop). I see some of the people arguing against you are those who complain in other threads about how certain planes, such as the spit, are possibly missing small but substantial pieces of their performance. How funny.

I hope the 190A series fighters see some sort of improvement in AH. They are sorely under-represented. Something needs fixing with them, whether its their performance or their weapons.

J_A_B

garrido · « **Reply #32 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:38:00 AM »

RAM lloron de la LW, marica de terciopelo.
VIVA EL SPITFIRE.
(no te jode)

A este paso te vas a parecer a mi, calla que no conseguiras nada.

Saludos

de supon "lloronpermanentedelaLW" go

niklas · « **Reply #33 on:** November 19, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »

as you can easily see in the upper left corner, this data (and the 190A8 data too that can be found in the net) comes straight out of the department of flight mechanics. It is calculated data. And for INA-conditions (standard alitutde + temperature)
Of course every calculation uses data from flight tests or wind tunnel tests (drag assumptions), so you could say it is based on flight test data.
There exists also a engine performance chart of the BMW801 somewhere in the net. If you compare the serial numbers (9-801-5401) you can see that they´re identical.

You may ask why the A5 is faster than a A8:
-Installation of MG131 for the A8 resulted in larger bulges, more drag
-Installation of larger MG151 cannons in the outer wing section
-later a slightly modified oil cooler was introduced what caused a bit more drag, but offered better protection
-from the A6 on, for simplifiying the production (safe time, costs) the polishing process of the surface was cancelled

The data is without a bombrack (ETC 501). A better scan can be found here: http://people.freenet.de/nik_mc/fw190_A5.gif

niklas

Karnak · « **Reply #34 on:** November 19, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »

If this data is correct, then I would certainly like to see the speed fixed on the Fw190A-5.

If it is correct, I have no problems with a faster Fw190A-5. That would be silly. I want all aircraft in AH modeled as acurately as possible.

[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

R4M · « **Reply #35 on:** November 19, 2001, 11:35:00 AM »

<BUMP> for pyro

Voss · « **Reply #36 on:** November 19, 2001, 02:24:00 PM »

Ram, I did not engage in a personal attack upon you. You have taken it to that level. In that you seem incapable of understanding the point of my reply, I can't help but say there is no point in replying to you.

I am sure there is a perfectly clear reason that the game performance of this aircraft deviates in the manner described. I am also sure that once it is explained Ram will not understand.

Vermillion · « **Reply #37 on:** November 19, 2001, 05:54:00 PM »

Guys I missed the other thread, whats the topic or the link? Sorry, been behind on the BBS lately.

Niklas, what was the original source for the chart? Its very interesting data.

I do disagree with Funked in that I think 15mph difference in speed in the game will (IMO) make a difference in how successful the aircraft is in the main arena. However, I do agree with his statement that the 15mph difference is easily with the normal variance of test data seen in just about any engineering endeavor.

R4M · « **Reply #38 on:** November 20, 2001, 01:49:00 AM »

<PUNT> again

Verm, the chart was posted by Niklas a thread called "109G6 and MW50, what the...?" or something like that

R4M · « **Reply #39 on:** November 20, 2001, 02:22:00 PM »

Nifty · « **Reply #40 on:** November 21, 2001, 09:59:00 AM »

Pyro, just please please PLEASE say you'll look into it to shut him up for now!

wow! a whine to get a dev to post something to shut up a whine! This has got to be a first!

niklas · « **Reply #41 on:** November 21, 2001, 10:24:00 AM »

RAM really behaves like a little child that pulls at the skirt of his mama in a supermarket:
"MMAAAAAMMMIII do you see this, they have bigger lollipops than thos you buy me usually. Gimme the bigger lolli gimme gimme PLEASSSEE wäwwhwhwwhwwääääääää ...."

illo · « **Reply #42 on:** November 24, 2001, 09:19:00 PM »

hola supongo!!! GOGOGOGOOOGO LW!!!!

Great factory data niklas.
Good luck with your quest for even more realistic FMs.

uh...hmmm. wtf im typing? i'd better go for a smoke.

take care.

R4M · « **Reply #43 on:** November 27, 2001, 07:04:00 AM »

LUPO · « **Reply #44 on:** November 27, 2001, 08:28:00 AM »

I want all aircraft in AH modeled as acurately as possible.

And I'd like also to know on the base of which document the planes are modelled in AH.

Showing the source of information will shut down all the questions.