MjTalon's Bomber Speed Idea

[RTHolmes]

I'm not really concerned with the 47N at this point. do you now accept that in AH the B-17G has unlimited use of power settings which were resticted to 5mins IRL?


edit: btw if you dont like this, your going to hate my request for WEP for the Lanc. yup, 5mins of 3000rpm/12-16lb boost, just like the real thing

[Stoney]

do you now accept that in AH the B-17G has unlimited use of power settings which were resticted to 5mins IRL?

I've never said otherwise.  The B-17G has unlimited use of military power settings which were restricted to 5 minutes in real life, just like every other airplane in this game.  The issue as previously stated before was that heavy bombers in-game were able to somehow coax some level of performance from their engines that their opposing fighter/interceptors could not.

[RTHolmes]

I've never said otherwise.  The B-17G has unlimited use of military power settings which were restricted to 5 minutes in real life, just like every other airplane in this game.

well I've only looked in detail at Spits, Typhoons, Tempests and Lancasters, which (apart from the lack of WEP for the Lanc) match the AH power settings. Continuous Military power settings which are unlimited in AH were restricted IRL to 1 hour, but considering the length of sorties and fuel loads this is much less of an issue.

The B-17 and B-24 AH power settings are waaay off the mark however. Given what you've said about the 47N I'm almost scared to start digging around the data for other fighters. How much more of the planeset could be nerfed in this way ...

[Stoney]

Continuous Military power settings which are unlimited in AH were restricted IRL to 1 hour, but considering the length of sorties and fuel loads this is much less of an issue.

Well, for the Tempest, as an example, the "climb to 1,000 feet" setting of 3700rpm and +7 inches of boost (which is higher than the 1 hour climb rating)is available for an unlimited period of time, so it is consistent among all aircraft.

[RTHolmes]

interesting. well I appear to have completely hijacked this topic, my apologies. Time to take it to a fresh thread I think

[Krusty]

I've never said otherwise.  The B-17G has unlimited use of military power settings which were restricted to 5 minutes in real life, just like every other airplane in this game.  The issue as previously stated before was that heavy bombers in-game were able to somehow coax some level of performance from their engines that their opposing fighter/interceptors could not.

I think you confuse terms of what power setting are what sometimes.

There's a max continuous setting, at which most planes can run forever. There's often a higher setting that planes can run for an hour, and then there's military WEP type settings that can't be exceeded for more than a few minutes.

Bombers in AH run at full WEP, whereas the P-51D is limited to 5 minutes of this category of power. The Spit, the F4u, the .... wait... EVERY fighter in this game that even has a WEP setting is limited in its use.

It's NOT the same saying "fighters have the same problem so it's a wash" -- because it's not the same. It is by definition a double standard, and the bombers come out being uber compared to historic numbers almost always in this game.

[Stoney]

Bombers in AH run at full WEP

Krusty, I must need to reinstall my client, because the B-17G in my copy of Aces High 2 will only pull 47" of manifold pressure, which is military power for the B-17G.  Must be nice to have your version where the B-17G will pull 54".

[DrDea]

Bombers in AH run at full WEP, whereas the P-51D is limited to 5 minutes of this category of power. The Spit, the F4u, the .... wait... EVERY fighter in this game that even has a WEP setting is limited in its use.

 109's have wep that runs forever.What do 17's run up against in FSO's? I'll give ya a hint. They run forever on wep and re generate it too.

[RTHolmes]

Krusty, I must need to reinstall my client, because the B-17G in my copy of Aces High 2 will only pull 47" of manifold pressure, which is military power for the B-17G.  Must be nice to have your version where the B-17G will pull 54".

the 54" is a red herring. Like Krusty said there is confusion over the terms used. 2500/47" is "Military Power" according to USAAF usage, in AH we would call this "WEP" because its a high power setting which is time limited to 5mins. or would be if modelled correctly.

[Krusty]

109's have wep that runs forever.What do 17's run up against in FSO's? I'll give ya a hint. They run forever on wep and re generate it too.

Misinformation, at best.

109s are limited to their historical WEP time limits, 10 minutes. Other planes are limited to either 5 or 10 minutes based on the historic limits for those planes (1 or 2 less than 5 mins, even). Since the time limit is based on heat and heat dissipation, it most often has NOTHING to do with limited supplies of water injection, or MW50, or (in some planes) no extra additives at all. Most planes had more than enough of this to go around. The 190D, for example, has enough boost to run for over 30 minutes. It could only run for 10 minutes at a time.

So no, saying that fighters have unlimited WEP as a comparison to bombers is a lie. They do not, whereas bombers work as if the WEP button has been locked into the "on" position, but never automatically shuts off.

[DrDea]

 109's regen better than most planes.Yes.Im stalking you Krusty.Im looking in your windows.You need to clean your monitor.Its filthy.
  The FSO isnt perfect.It cant be.it would cause so much confusion and the people doing the work on their own time would hate it. Take it as it is.relish it.ENJOY it. You dont always get the shatty end and I would trade what Im flying in this one for some good old German aircraft any day of the week cause I LOVE a challenge. I WANT to defend.
  You I envy.if ya got a good CIC.If not.I pitty you.  <S> Krusty.Enjoy your frame and have fun in it.The pool has you at 20 to 1 odds of squeaking about it at 14.7 hours after. I got 17 hours.Make me proud.

[Krusty]

109's regen better than most planes.

This is historically documented.


So you're not only trolling, flame-baiting, and inciting, you're complaining about what has been proven to be historically accurate?

[DrDea]

 No just stating what Ive noticed from flying them a lot. A 109 can always get WEP back and honestly,I'll take a 109 in this FSO over a buff I got stuck in any day.I landed 3 B26's.From your post time I take it you didnt fare so well.

[DrDea]

 But in all seriousness Krusty,It would be hard to make it even across the board in the way you want.You want to make it hard for the buffs to get alt,probebly till your flying allied stuff and then you would want to see the axis carry 50% fuel so they cant climb to high with their uber gun packages. You can piss and moan all you want on either side of the fence but it seems fun to the rest of us. Regardless of what side we land on.Join the fun side.Take what ya get and do the best ya can with it.If your situation sux so what.it will be someone else the next week.Suck it up princess.We all get KP some times.