New non-perk Spitfire possibilities.

[gatt]

Ah yes, bring the Hurricane with the IIB, IIC and IID armament configurations. The IL-2, the HS-129 and the Hurry IID were real tank hunters. Great a/c for scenarios as well!

[Vermillion]

Like I have already said....   We need more Spitfires, like we need a hole in the head.

Hell, let me change that.  

We need more German, British, or American aircraft of ANY type, like we need a hole in the head for about the next 3 versions (I mean this literally, since the Japanese, Russian, and Italian planesets is in such pitiful shape).

Ok new contest/poll !!

Who's the worst about wanting umpteen billion varients of their favorite fighters? Luftwooble fanatics with their 64 different requested 109/190's subtypes? The Jug fans who want another 6 subtypes of the P-47D, before they even start on the other types B,C,M and N? Or our friendly Spitfire contingent?

Its neck and neck... who's gonna win  

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[juzz]

You forgot to include the Yak-9UT whiner guy...

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by juzz:
You forgot to include the Yak-9UT whiner guy...

I want Yak-9K, Yak-9DD and maybe Yak-9B for the time when I'm inot the bombing  

mx22



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[Pongo]

We also need the MkVc trop with the option for 4 hispanos no mgs

[LaVa]

YESSSSSSSSSS!!

I agree, we need a late model SPIT.  What was it 957 spitXIVs were produced.  Ya gotta bring this bird in AH.  Although its ENY value will be on par with the cHog im sure, ie not many points for killing in it.

Moreover, I would love to see the Hurri IIC in here as well as the 40mm version.  

Mossie, we prolly need the mossie more than anything!

speaking about ENY values, HTC needs to adjust those things every tour.  F6f is way off as well as zeke.

[funked]

So Verm you are against any post-1942 Spits and against any sort of RPS to reduce the number of late war wonders in flight.  So Spitfire squadrons should have no choice but to compete against 1944-45 planes in 1941-1942 planes?  No thanks, I'll take my quarters somewhere else.

[Karnak]

Vermillion,
Why not more British aircraft?  You act as though the British are up there with the Americans and Germans.  This is simply not so.

We have 6 British and 5 Russian aircraft that we know of, as of v1.07.  I agree that HTC should focus on Japanese aircraft, but it seems to me that Russian and British are on nearly the same priority level, that and the fact that the Russians have one of the best fighters in the form of the La7.  Spit IX can't touch an La7 that is flown even halfway decently.  If any of you want to argue that because Mitsu in the Spit IX vs. Joe Newbie in an La7 would result in a sweep by the Spit and that proves the Spit is better than the La7, fine, but we both know that is BS.

Known unit count as of v1.07:
American: 18*
German: 13**
British: 6
Russian: 5
Japanese: 3
Italian: 2

*All general purpose units are American and in addition the only amphibious units available for simulation are American.  Eliminating the C-47A, M-3, LVT-2 and LVT-4a results in 14 American units.  The P-47D-25 is in Brazilian markings.  Eliminating the P-47D-25 as well resultsin 13 American units.
**The Bf109G-2 is in Finnish markings.  Eliminating the Bf109G-2 results in a total of 12 German units.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

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[Vermillion]

Hehe you know I'm mostly kidding Funked. Else I wouldn't have umpteen million smilies in the post.

However, your forgeting one little important issue.   Contrary to your arguements, about 80% (roughly, my estimate) of the Spitfires we see in AH are 1944 and later varients.

If they're being flown with .50 cal MG's, they're a 1944 or later bird, period. And don't even try to convince me that the majority of Spit pilots are flying with .303's. Sure a few are, but they are a very small majority.

Plus if I remember correctly, even up thru 1944 the Spit IX, was the largest produced Spitfire varient. IE they made more IX's in 1944 than they made XIV's.

So if that is correct, according to the line of thought that production numbers are all important (not necessarily my own beliefs, just a very prevalent belief in the community), then the Spit IX is the representative Spitfire for 1944 (and maybe into 1945, I would have to check).

  *raspberry*

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[funked]

The .50 cals on the AH F Mk IX are fantasy.  The vast majority of Mk. IX built in 1943-45 were the LF Mk IX with Merlin 66, giving about 750 more fpm and 20 more mph than the AH F Mk IX at low level.

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[funked]

Here's a good link on this topic:  http://www.uio.no/~hungnes/avia/spitfire/mkixvar.htm


Remember that the LF Mk. XVI (1054 built) was functionally identical to the LF Mk. IX, but with an engine assembled in the US by Packard.

[Replicant]

 

Originally posted by Sable:
Do you happen to have a production breakdown for the Spitfire?  Also what units used the Spit VIII?  Thanks!

Sable
352nd FG

Hi

RAF Squadrons:-

17, 20, 28, 32, 43, 54, 67, 73, 81, 87, 92, 94, 131, 132, 136, 145, 152, 153, 154, 155, 185, 208, 238, 241, 253, 256, 273, 326, 327, 328, 417, 451, 452, 457, 548, 549, 601, 607 & 615 all used the Spitfire VIII at some stage through WWII.

Regards

Nexx

[Nashwan]

 

Contrary to your arguements, about 80% (roughly, my estimate) of the Spitfires we see in AH are 1944 and later varients.

If they're being flown with .50 cal MG's, they're a 1944 or later bird, period. And don't even try to convince me that the majority of Spit pilots are flying with .303's. Sure a few are, but they are a very small majority.

As Funked said, the  Spit F IX with .5s is fantasy. It is very doubtfu;ll any F IXs were produced with this configuration, because they had stopped production of them long before the E armament became available.

The major production varient was the LF, and that had much better performancce than the F. The AH Spit IX is an F model, with the performance to match.

A true 1944 Spit IX would be faster at low alts, climb much better, and if eequipped for 25lb boost, as most were in late 44, achieve a top speed of 350+ at sea level.

AH has a 1942 plane with 1944 guns.

[Karnak]

Vermillion,
As the others have said, its a 1942 Spit with a '44 gun option.  Don't for a moment think that it becomes a 1944 Spit if you take the .50s, once a Spit is out of 20mm ammo, its looking for a way out of the fight.  Functionally the Spitfire is armed with 2 20mm cannon, the rest is fluff.

Flight performance, or massive firepower changes are what matter.  Our Spitfire IX has neither and so it remains a 1942 Spitfire.

I like the way the .303s look, to me 2 20mm and 4 .303s is the classic Spitfire armament, so that is what I take.  I hope the MkXIV will have the option for both as well, that way Funked can have his 2 .50s and I can have my 4 .303s.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Vermillion]

 

As the others have said, its a 1942 Spit with a '44 gun option. Don't for a moment think that it becomes a 1944 Spit if you take the .50s

I'll remember that next time one of you guys start to complain about the Chog   After all its just a 1943 fighter with a 1945 armament change, but that doesn't mean it isn't a 1943 fighter.

So next time one of you propose a RPS, I expect to see the Chog right there where the F4U-1A sits.  

{Note: I'm not a chog person in the least, but its parallel to this discussion is way too tastey to resist  }

Oh one question, you guys always complain about our "F", but last time I checked, our "F" had the a max speed at altitude and critical altitude most similar to a "HF", along with the medium and low altitude speeds of the "F". So your getting the best of two worlds. Or did Pyro finally fix that "little" bug?  

So not only do you get the "fantasy" .50's as you say, but you also get a fantasy best case meld of F and HF too I guess.

FIX THE SPIT NOW !!! ITS PORKED !!!!  

Sorry, but your gonna have too work harder to convince me to feel sorry for a "poor little 1942 plane" that is currently getting more than 10% of the total kills in AcesHigh, and is ranked 2nd or 3rd overall in that category.

Hehehehe you guys are almost as fun to harass as the Luftwobble leather wearing crowd.

Hmmm.... What can we label you guys as   The Nancy boy tea & crumpet set?  

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