Tempest vs Spitfire XIV

[BnZs]

It also isn't a chart to any scale.  It is just showing best to worst turners.  Spits did not out turn the others by that much.

Karnak...I vaguely remember the pilot report, which of course you have also read. But I'll paraphrase anyway..words to the effect that the P-51 turns "slightly better" than the Tempest, and the SpitXIV turns decidedly better than the P-51. Thus it DOES sound like the SpitXIV should out-turn the Tempest "by that much"

[Motherland]

That also has a 109G and a 190A with the same turning circle...

[Karnak]

Karnak...I vaguely remember the pilot report, which of course you have also read. But I'll paraphrase anyway..words to the effect that the P-51 turns "slightly better" than the Tempest, and the SpitXIV turns decidedly better than the P-51. Thus it DOES sound like the SpitXIV should out-turn the Tempest "by that much"

Yes, it was much better at turning.  I was commenting on the illustration in the chart.  That illustration is not to any sort of scale.

[moot]

Yeah, Batfink it's all about sadness and who you are and what you stand for.... and your "validation".  Being right is being fascist, ok, you've said that a dozen times already.

It means nothing as to whether the spitfire is as Moray describes, if he wins or loses a duel against you.  It doesn't matter if an "ace" beats a more regular player, as far as the Spitfire being arguably the least challenging and most forgiving model in the plane set for the large majority of the players.  The rest of your post is off-topic as usual.

Moot. Like i said before; that is very sad. Well done for being 'right', like always. Funny though, that my friends and squadmates would probably give a reasonably decent account of who I am and what I stand for. How would some of your squaddies describe you? How have they already described you? Head so far up your backside you cant see it?
 If you read more carefully you would see that I was talking personaly. If anyone thinks the spitfires are no challenge, come fight me, show me what you got. Unless you win 5/5 there is still more to learn about spitfires.

Non sequitur.

As far as Tempest vs Spit14 goes: Before the Tempest runs out of steam at altitude, it should win most matches against a Spit14.  The Tempest might not be able to press to a kill, but it mostly has the spit under its thumb.  The spit's torque and tempest's higher speed and firepower means there's no room for error on the side of the one that'd be defending most of the time.
Fighting a turn&burn knife fight.. Is loading the comparison.  Like saying the Fw190s aren't really superior to the A6Ms because they don't try and turn with it.

[mechanic]

It's not thinking you are 'right' that I disagree with, it's automaticaly thinking everyone else is wrong. That may confuse you, granted. Being a fascist (a joke btw, remember what that is?) is forcing others to see your point of view or damn them if not. I still disagree with everything you replied to me about but lack the urge to argue with you. The original conversation directed at Moray was long finished before you started this, good day to you.

*tips hat

[BnZs]

That also has a 109G and a 190A with the same turning circle...

I remember reading this too awhile back, something about "the pilot will be embarassed by the slats". Apparently the tester thought slat deployment meant stall was imminent. Relaxing pressure anytime the slats deploy would of course degrade the turning circle of the 109. Didn't an experten even discuss how green Luftwaffe pilots didn't get the most out of turning the 109s because they tended to think the slats deployment meant stall was imminent?

Huh...oddly enough, some research on the DeHavilland Tigermoth is in order.

[moot]

Fudge

[Widewing]

Machfly and I met in the TA and squared off with the Tempest and the Spitfire XIV. I hadn't flown a Tempest in a very long time, and never dueled in it before. It took a little while to learn its flaps out quirks.

These were standard duels, that quickly ended up as stall fights.

The fights were close, but the Tempest prevailed, not in the least due to the vicious torque induced handling of the Spit when slow. After several fights, we both took the Tempest. I was now comfortable with it, but Machfly was not. I then flew the Spit, which I wasn't comfortable with at low speeds... Torque was severe. Later, we both flew the Spit.

For me, it was readily apparent why the F4U-4 owns the Spit XIV... The Spit is a evil, nasty beastie at low speed, while the F4U-4 flies like an advanced trainer in comparison.

Machfly did a tremendous job horsing that Spit around. I was very impressed with him.

Some links to films of Tempest vs SpitXIV:

http://www.mediafire.com/?t2qnmnbjmxd

http://www.mediafire.com/?nwxjmex3gmj

http://www.mediafire.com/?iiyyk22h2yk


Excellent job Machfly!   


My regards,

Widewing

[MachFly]

Before I say anything I just want to say great job widewing, great flying 

Now here is my report on the comparable slow speed performance at about 5K:
Tempest can out turn a spitfire 14 with full flaps and since it has a much more powerful engine when the spitfire's engine overheats the tempest has a very high power advantage. The tempest however has trouble rolling to the left at low speed with full flaps. Spitfire conserves energy better then the tempest, but that can be a disadvantage because temp. can make the spitfire overshoot and then regain it's energy with it's 2000+ hp engine.

However there are 3 good things about the main arena:
1. You don't see tempests every day
2. The tempests that you actually see can't fly anywhere near as good as widewing
3. Not to many people in the main arena have the guts to fly a 50 perk plane at low altitude and low speed

P.S. I did not like flying the tempest (maybe just because I'm not used to it though)

[Angus]

Spit XIV has a 2000 hp engine....

[moot]

...and?

[Kazaa]

...and?

It's 7,001 away from over 9,000.

[Angus]

?

[RTHolmes]

Is there still an airworthy Temp or Tiffie?

Just one surviving Typhoon on display at Hendon - great shame for such an important aircraft.
11 surviving Tempests, two of which is being restored to flying condition. I really want to see them flying 


edit: Tempest II awaiting engine rebuild, should be flying pretty soon.

[BnZs]

Now there are RAF fighter pilots rolling in their graves, to match all USAAF doing so because the P-47D out-turns the P-51.

Before I say anything I just want to say great job widewing, great flying 

Now here is my report on the comparable slow speed performance at about 5K:
Tempest can out turn a spitfire 14 with full flaps and since it has a much more powerful engine when the spitfire's engine overheats the tempest has a very high power advantage. The tempest however has trouble rolling to the left at low speed with full flaps. Spitfire conserves energy better then the tempest, but that can be a disadvantage because temp. can make the spitfire overshoot and then regain it's energy with it's 2000+ hp engine.

However there are 3 good things about the main arena:
1. You don't see tempests every day
2. The tempests that you actually see can't fly anywhere near as good as widewing
3. Not to many people in the main arena have the guts to fly a 50 perk plane at low altitude and low speed

P.S. I did not like flying the tempest (maybe just because I'm not used to it though)