What's the Brewster?

[Delirium]

Here is the Brewster.



(I really respect those that fly the older models within AH, makes the game more enjoyable with a bit more of diversity)

[moot]

I've been involved with this game in one manner or another since January of 2001. Even before then, the Finns have been asking for the Brewster. Finally, they have it in the pipeline.

Yep... I can't remember a time when the Finns weren't already waiting for the Brewster.

[Xasthur]

These guys get together every year and their own Finn Aces High convention.

Widewing

And the resulting pictures are always hilarious and a little disturbing at the same time.

That's reason enough for them to be given something. 

[Noir]

first time I saw someone playing on a laptop sitting on the side with 90° screen rotation

[Wmaker]

The B-239 had a power/weight ratio of .16 hp/lb, and the F2A-2, .20hp/lb. The F2A-2 was 5,942 lbs, the B-239, 5,808.

The weight you are using here is a bit too high for the Model 239 and a bit too low for the F2A-2. With full tanks and 4*50 cals Model 239 weights around 5672lbs. Also it seems that you've used the 950hp power setting for the Model 239, not WEP (1000hp). The weight you've used for the F2A is with 2 guns only and with only 660lbs of fuel. The weight with 4 guns and with full tanks is 6500lbs flat.

So more comparable power to weight ratios are the following:

Model 239: 0,176 hp/lb
F2A-2: 0,185 hp/lb

So the difference in power loading is actually considerably smaller. And as others have mentioned F2A-2 barely saw combat.

[Saxman]

And as others have mentioned F2A-2 barely saw combat.

The F2A-2 didn't see combat at ALL. It was the F2A-3 and its export version.

There are plenty of Russian and Japanese planes to do aswell.

Yyeeeeeeah. We only don't have: an IJAAF fighter for early war (Ki-61 was 1943). An early-war Japanese (or ANY Russian, for that matter) multi-engine bomber (Ki-67 was a 1944 bird). An IJN fighter covering the mid-war period (A6M5 was a 1944 bird). A mid-war single-engine Japanese bomber (the B5N and D3A are definitively early-war). PLENTY of Japanese planes, if you want to just ignore the glaring holes. At least the Russian set you can legitimately sub in Lend-Lease aircraft. The Japanese don't have any valid substitutions to fill the gaps in the plane set.

[Wmaker]

The F2A-2 didn't see combat at ALL. It was the F2A-3 and its export version.

Yep, you are right. Four F2A-3s shot down a Japanese flying boat off Midway on March 10th, I've read a bad source somewhere which said those would have been -2s. Proved to be impossible because by the time of that event VMF-211 had already gotten rid of the couple -2s it had.

[Hajo]

I am also going to stay on late and find my Finn friends and wingup.

I am eagerly awaiting the Brewsters arrival!  Flying the latest and greatest is not my style.

Finns!  You are going to have to teach me to fly this crate!  Be patient! 


Hajo

[Kotari]

But whos gonna teach us ! 

It will be surely interesting time, when suddenly dozen Brewsters storm in to meet the normal LWMA set.
I think it will seem like someone pulled in to a drag race strip with a tricycle   
However, i am impatiently waiting for my turn to beat that racer monster peddling my bike...and i wellcome WW&Hajo to join us 

[gpwurzel]

I'm looking forward to this addition - for the first time I might actually get to shoot down some of my finnish friends lol.......mind you, I'm going to wing up with them at the very first opportunity first. If you've never made a finnish AH meet, I guarantee you do not know what you are missing out on.

<S> Finns

Wurzel

[Wingnutt]

funny how the people who know how to fly and fight (ACM)  have no problem with this fine aircraft being added. 

Listen up to what WW and Guppy said kids.   This thing if it can turn (which it will) will be able to beat most of the AH population.  4x 50 cals from 200 or less will need minimum ammo to kill a fighter see  P51B or F4F. 

So if you can shoot and turn your onto a winner.  I'm all for more minority planes and not well known US rides.  Think early French stuff, maybe another italian ride.  There are plenty of Russian and Japanese planes to do aswell.  I'm guessing the only reason HTC hasn't modelled this lot already is not having 100% bulletproof (excuse the pun) plane schematics and performance data.

Would you rather have a game that is HTC's best attempt at perfection? or a game filled with loads of different planes that all perform very similiar and based on guesswork (BORING).  The amount of hours it must take to get these cartoon planes flying anywhere near what they did in reality i'm sure is a pain staking process. 

If I hear anymore  "hangar queen"  or "but but  what about the X,Y,Z  plane it will be l33t"  I will take your name and hunt you down with this little brewster and make your day.   

I think the hardest part of flying the Brewster will not be getting kills (assuming they dont run away) it will be making it home..  as with any plane in AH that has a low top speed, its really easy to get anchored and overwhelmed even buy just 2 planes if your very near an enemy base and mix it up. 

You run into 2 guys.. kill the first.. start on the second, as you are getting him nailed down the first has already jumped into another LW speed demon and is reentering the fight..  so you kill #2  but #1 is back so your start fighting him.,,, here comes #2 again..   this over and over till you either run out of fuel, ammo or someone finally pics ya..

that said, one of my most memorable flight came from exactly that sort of situation in a P40E..  I went "trolling" over a field and a guy upped..  by the time I killed him another had joined.. then the first guy was back.. and so on.   after every kill i would get 30 sec or so to run towards a friendly base before having to turn to fight again..  wound of with 5 kills, no ammo and about 30 sec of fuel when I finally made it home.

If i can get just one experience out of the Buffalo that is similar to that, Ill be pleased with it.

[Sakai]

no disrespect but only a small number use the early & mid war arenas & the buffalo would be a flying coffin in the late war arena. i think it's a waste

None taken, but name useful planes that would actually contribute to the late war any?  There are none.  There are many you can want, there are none that will change the Main Arenas from being a hamster wheel.  None.  The A26?  Have tons of bombers, won't change anything really.  When people can fly at low level in Lancasters in formation, the A26 adds something?  nope.  Just new eye candy, not adding anything.

P47M?

Perked ride like A26 for blazing fast attacks?

That's not unique to the Late War Arenas, that's all that is there.  So more of sameness in different package is what is needed?  

Nope. The Late war is a one trick pony with nothing really riding on it but the hopes of guys in fast planes hoping to get a leg up on faster planes.

You might say "but in the early war arenas and setups, it's the same just slower planes."

Nope.  There's also romance, for the early war has the fact that the issue was still in doubt and scenarios are definitely a see saw where plane characteristics have far more going for them than does the late war gang bangathons.  The value of 80 spits and tiffies and Nikis vs the same on another side?  The thirll of a kill untill you're outnumbered and wasted.  

For every decent late war decent and intriguing fight I have had in Aces High I have had 20 in the scenarios and early war arenas.  No ten kills have ever been as thrilling or well earned in the MA as in AvA.  Where else can you wing with anotehr P-40B and see several Val's and Kate's attacking a base with Zero escorts?  Wher else can you escort a B-17 formation onto specific targets in France and Germany in a Jug or P51 and face the precsie planes the pilots of WWII did and not a pack of Tiffies and Hurricane IIDs?  

Late war is a video game, scenarios and early war A v A is WWII fighter Sim.

The gap between those two is wide my friend.  Everyone strapping on a Brewster in the AvA arena is taking the dreams they had as a young man of WWII aerial combat and flowing through them in real time.  That plane and they are one in spirit and triumph or failure maifests itself deeply in their subconscience.

The reality of the late war defines us?  No, not as much as our dreams do.  Get twenty brotehrs and go to to an AVA setup.  Watch the folks balance out the arena to make the fights a match and meaningful.  Tell me it's less fun than saying "come one, 20 Tiffy raid again, let's do 40 tonight!!!!"

Man vs Hamster my friend, I pack my heart with my 'chute, so that's where I fly.  Let me know how the wheel treats you.  

Sakai
aka Mean Bob Mean

[moot]

None taken, but name useful planes that would actually contribute to the late war any?  There are none.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264722.msg3306609.html#msg3306609

Nope. The Late war is a one trick pony with nothing really riding on it but the hopes of guys in fast planes hoping to get a leg up on faster planes.

Right, it couldn't be that they simply like planes that don't wheeze around at 2mph.

Late war is a video game, scenarios and early war A v A is WWII fighter Sim.

Bogus.  You're the same as the late war dweebs who do fly La7s and P51Ds just to let the plane do the fighting for them.  Just their doppelganger.

[Sakai]

So, "what if" planes make the hamster wheel less hamster like?

Right, and thanks for making my argument for me friend.

And yes, it's all about the plane when you're in a P-40B, everyone knows that.  Heh.  Or the Wildcat when facing Zekes!

Heh.  You're a funny guy.

Thanks for the retort, I understand your love for the MA, Billy the Circus boy in his shiny new everything is quite attractive, but the idea that it's a WWII flight sim as opposed to the AvA is uncomfortably ignorant.

You're about 10x more likely to see one on one action in AvA.  I mean, what says it's just the plane dog my work for me more than that?

Thanks for trying, care to try again?


;-)

Sakai

[DMBEAR]

funny how the people who know how to fly and fight (ACM)  have no problem with this fine aircraft being added. 

If I hear anymore  "hangar queen"  or "but but  what about the X,Y,Z  plane it will be l33t"  I will take your name and hunt you down with this little brewster and make your day.   

 

Go get em!   

TY HTC, and wtg on adding the Brewster.