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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2001, 04:43:00 PM »
fishu has company, or is that competition?

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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2001, 04:49:00 PM »
Here's another Tempest of the same squadron (3 Fighter Sqn).  Although this is art work, it appears the colours are a little off.  
   

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PS  Citabria, just checked about the wings looking too thick and too far forward  - it's placement on the screenshot is identical to the Typhoon (incorrect).

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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2001, 04:54:00 PM »
Screw you guys, I'm goin home!  

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2001, 04:59:00 PM »
lol SuperFly!  Nice model mind!  

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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2001, 11:06:00 PM »
S! all

Nice to see the Tempest.  However, as someone else mentioned, the wings are very much too thick.  The major redesign developement from Typhoon to Tempest, and the reason for the improvement in speed and climb, was the laminar flow wing.  Most of the other differences sprang from the redesigned wing, for example, the fuselage was lengthened to compensate.

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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2001, 11:42:00 PM »
I was surprised because SUPERFLY's face is too round.  

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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2001, 11:42:00 PM »
Laminar flow does not mean the wing cannot be "thick", depending on what your definition of thick is.

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2001, 12:05:00 AM »
"The thick wing of the Typhoon caused compressability problems at high speeds and resulted in development of a 'thin wing' version originally called Typhoon II but then Tempest due to the large number of changes incorporated.  These included the thin elliptical and laminar flow wing, moving the fuel from the wings to the fuselage (which was lengthened as a result) and the addition of a dorsal fin".

Maybe the mose important point here is the relocation of the fuel.  In the 'Rollrates' thread under 'Aircraft & Vehicles' the Typhoon rollrate was a fraction of the current AH representation.  Now if the AH Tempest has the fuel relocated to the fuselage, you would expect it to roll faster than the Typhoon.

HTC needs to be real careful here, otherwise the Tempest will roll faster than a current F-16 !

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2001, 01:05:00 AM »
S! all

Maverick you are correct in one sense:  The typical laminar flow airfoil IS a little thicker when compared to a typical WWII airfoil.  However, in the case of the Typhoon, the originally designed wing was very thick.  (all the Hawker aircraft seemed to start with thick wings, the Hurricane had a thick airfoil too, which was one reason its acceleration and top speed were not good)  The final Tempest wing was 5 inches thinner than the Typhoon at the wing root.

Jekyll is right about the roll rate.  It was much improved over the Tempest.  As he said, because the wing was thinner, the fuel tanks in the wings couldn't hold as much, so more had to be packed into the fuselage, which nessesitated lengthening it by 21 inchs forward of the center of gravity.  This extra length ahead of the C.G. in turn required a larger fin and tailplane to compensate.

The Laminar flow wing (as well to a certain degree the slightly higher horsepower output of the Sabre IIB at 2420) was directly responsible for the increased top speed, improved climb and acceleration of the Tempest.  It also gave it an increased range over the Typhoon, as the aircraft was able to cruise at higher speed at a lower throttle setting due to the cleaner airframe.  The Tempest had a range of 820 miles in clean condition.


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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2001, 09:00:00 AM »
Superfly, is there any reason that you chose not to model the tempest after Clostermann's fancier ride "Le Grand Charles" ?

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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2001, 09:11:00 AM »
Yup, red-nosed JF-E NV724 please   I think we have NV994 with the black nose here.

Either that or an invasion stripe scheme would be great  

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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2001, 09:33:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Suave1:
Superfly, is there any reason that you chose not to model the tempest after Clostermann's fancier ride "Le Grand Charles" ?

Lt Superfly finish the job 1st  

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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2001, 02:35:00 PM »
I'm sure he has a reason I just wanted to know why he didn't choose the Clostermann tempest that had all the kill markings and stuff on it . Maybe he thinks all the graffiti on Le Grand Charles would detract from it's natural beauty . After all the Le Grand Charles was painted up like a lady of the night . If it were up to me I would've selected the paint scheme of the tempest pilot who had the most kills . Hmm.. what was that American's name  

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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2001, 04:35:00 PM »
OMG   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I thought it was only a GAME!!!!

You guys are never satisfied are you ??

By all means, flame my ass!, but c'mon give the man a break he works tirelessly to bring us another aircraft,which, might i add will erupt this whole "perk it" "don't perk it " "this plane is uber" etc. arguments

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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2001, 09:41:00 AM »
Echo, I think you have the wrong idea   We always nitpick new aircraft, that way the finished product is accurate, not to mention looks good in screenshots etc. It's called constructive feedback, we're not actually flaming him.