Was the P-51 American?

[Banshee7]

Germany didn't declare war... they just went and bombed Pearl Harbor 

with helicopters!

[AWwrgwy]

Japan attacked Pearl Harbour and subsequently Germany AND Italy declared war on the USA.

wrongway

[Angus]

I was joking 

Thought you were, but I couldn't resist. You wouldn't belive how many of our American friends actually belive the USA went to war against the Gerries to save France 
The thought of Italy declaring war on the USA always makes me giggle a bit, - with that huge Italian population in the USA for starters and then...how was Italy going to do anything???
Then there is a little question. Since Germany and Italy declared war due to the Axis pact, why didn't Japan declare war on England before Pearl. 

[frank3]

I was joking 

So Pearl Harbour was never bombed? 

[Reaper90]

yes, silly, by the English. They were sore about Yorktown, and thought she might still be there.

[5PointOh]

mipoikel,

Do you have larger pictures of the ones you previously posted?  I'd love to add those to my collection!

[Lusche]

Then there is a little question. Since Germany and Italy declared war due to the Axis pact, why didn't Japan declare war on England before Pearl. 

Because they were not obliged to. And Germany wasn't obliged to declare war on the United states after Pearl.

From the Tripartite Pact from 1940:


"ARTICLE 3. Japan, Germany, and Italy agree to cooperate in their efforts on aforesaid lines. They further undertake to assist one another with all political, economic and military means if one of the Contracting Powers is attacked by a Power at present not involved in the European War or in the Japanese-Chinese conflict."

Japan wasn't attacked by US forces.
And Germany was already at war with the United Kingdom when the pact was signed.

[Cajunn]

Actually Germany was pretty pissed at Japan for attacking pearl, they didn't want the US more involved in the war in Europe then they already were for the same reason Japan was hoping that the attack would cause the U.S. fold and not want to fight. Industry wise the U.S had no match except for Russia at that time, and eventually that was weighing factor of the out come of WW2.



Being that ya'll goin to Hijack my thread I guess I'll have some input.

[Widewing]

Industry wise the U.S had no match except for Russia at that time, and eventually that was weighing factor of the out come of WW2.

The USSR had barely a fraction of the US industrial capacity in late 1941. The reality was that without Lend Lease the Soviets would have folded like a cheap umbrella in 1943. The Russians were unable to produce even half of the war materials and logistical needs required to sustain their war effort. Britain provided a very small percentage, but the vast bulk of the difference came from the United States. Quite literally, the U.S. fed the Soviet military. It provided most of their truck transport and railroad stock. More than half of their gasoline, both motor and aviation, came from America, and this barely scratches the surface of what was given to the USSR. Here's some specific examples...

80% of all canned meat.
92% of all railroad locomotives, rolling stock and rails.
57% of all aviation fuel.
53% of all explosives.
74% of all truck transport.
88% of all radio equipment.
53% of all copper.
56% of all aluminum.
60+% of all automotive fuel.
74% of all vehicle tires.
12% of all armored vehicles.
14% of all combat aircraft.
The list includes a high percentage of the high grade steel, communications
cable, canned foods of all types, medical supplies, and virtually every modern
machine tool used by Soviet industry. Not to mention the "know-how" required to
use and maintain this equipment.


A by-product of Lend Lease was the fact that the U.S. contribution of the bulk of Russian machine tooling, technology and captured German technology was the basis for the Soviet's post-war industrial (read that as weapons) build up. This, possibly more than any other non-political factor, was huge contributor to the resulting "Cold War". Richard Overy has written extensively on the Soviets and Lend Lease. It's worthwhile to read some of his research. Suffice it to know that both Zhukov and Simonov freely admitted that collapse of the Soviet army was probable without Lend Lease.


My regards,

Widewing

[Widewing]

There was no P51B with 20mm cannons.

The XP-51Bs were armed with four 20mm cannon....


This was due to being converted from P-51/Mustang Mk. IA airframes, which were cannon armed.


My regards,

Widewing

[MiloMorai]

List of L-L to the Soviets, http://www.geocities.com/mark_willey/lend.html

tonnaged shipped to the Soviets

Year Totals

Persian Gulf - Pacific - Atlantic - Black Sea - Arctic > total
1941-- 360,778 - 13,502 - 193,299 - 153,977 > 721,556 > ~2.4%
1942--2,453,097 - 705,259 - 734,020 - 949,711 - 64,107 > 4,906,194 > ~16.1%
1943--4,794,545 - 1,606,979 - 2,388,577 - 681,043 - 117,946 > 9,589,090 > ~31.5%
1944--6,217,622 - 1,788,864 - 2,848,181 - 1,452,775 - 127,802 > 12,435,245 > ~40.8%
1945--3,673,819 - 44,513 - 2,079,320 - 726,725 - 680,723 > 2,804,556 > ~9.2%

Not according to this Ww.

Trucks in Russian service. The impact of lend lease on the red motor park.
http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaarticlelendlease.htm

[MiloMorai]

The XP-51Bs were armed with four 20mm cannon....


This was due to being converted from P-51/Mustang Mk. IA airframes, which were cannon armed.


My regards,

Widewing

The first XP-51B was flown by Bob Chilton on November 30, 1942. It was initially flown without armament.

[Widewing]

The first XP-51B was flown by Bob Chilton on November 30, 1942. It was initially flown without armament.

I have photos of both XP-51Bs, both are armed.


My regards,

Widewing

[Banshee7]

ATTENTION PEOPLE OF AH BBS:


Do NOT argue with Widewing, as you will lose 99.99% of the time.

[Widewing]

Not according to this Ww.

Trucks in Russian service. The impact of lend lease on the red motor park.
http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaarticlelendlease.htm

Those Soviet figures are wildly inflated. According to Soviet manufacturing tables cited by Dunn, Soviet truck production averaged less than 7,000 per month. Richard Overy agrees. Most were unsuitable for the military lacking off-road utility. Many Soviet designs were heartily disliked by the military and the Soviet's largest factory ceased production of Russian trucks in 1944. Instead, they began the assembly of American trucks.

Soviet records indicate that 158,500 trucks were "received by the armed forces in 1943" We also know that 104,335 American made 2.5 ton trucks were delivered to the Soviets in 1943. That leaves a balance of 54,000 trucks, most of which were 1.5 and one ton 2 wheel drive types. The one ton types were unsuited for towing most artillery and were used for general utility duty. They were restricted to frozen ground or prepared roads due to rear drive only, with an open differential.

If you examine various Soviet army units and their truck allocations, the vast majority of the transport were American made, with a much smaller percentage being Soviet manufactured.


My regards,

Widewing