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Offline Obie303

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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #60 on: June 10, 2009, 11:41:53 AM »
Any chance we can get Hammer, Soda, or somebody to give us some info besides hunting on multiple websites?  I'm not familiar with the I-16 (flight characteristics, etc, etc.)  Any info on the Brewster would be nice too.  

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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #61 on: June 10, 2009, 11:42:45 AM »
Replying to both you and Lusche:  My speculation is that if the I16 doesn't scrub its E too quick in maneuvers, it'll be more than a novelty counter to the Hurricane IIc.  All the I16 would require is proper ACM, which trumps most of the guys crutching with the IIc.

Now that I think about it, your right
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2009, 11:45:09 AM »
Any chance we can get Hammer, Soda, or somebody to give us some info besides hunting on multiple websites?  I'm not familiar with the I-16 (flight characteristics, etc, etc.)  Any info on the Brewster would be nice too.  

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Since I've been campaigning for this plane for years here's one of my prior posts:

Polikarpov I-16:

General characteristics
•   Crew: one pilot
•   Length: 6.13 m (20.1 ft)
•   Wingspan: 9.00 m (29.5 ft)
•   Height: 2.25 m (7.38 ft)
•   Wing area: 14.54 m² (156.5 ft²)
•   Empty weight: 1,383 kg (3,049 lb)
•   Loaded weight: 1,882 kg (4,149 lb)
•   Max takeoff weight: 2,050 kg (4,520 lb)
•   Powerplant: 1× Shvetsov M-63 air-cooled radial engine, 670 kW (900 hp) driving a two-blade propeller
Performance
•   Maximum speed: 460 km/h (290 mph)
•   Range: 440 km (275 mi)
•   Service ceiling: 9,700 m (31,800 ft)
•   Rate of climb: 14.7 m/s (2,900 ft/min)
•   Wing loading: 129 kg/m² (26 lb/ft²)
•   Power/mass: 0.36 kW/kg (0.22 hp/lb)
Armament
•   4× fixed forward-firing 7.62 mm (.30 cal) ShKAS machine guns, a total of 3,100 rounds of ammunition.
•   6× RS-82 rockets or up to 100 kg (220 lb) of bombs

Built from 1933 through 1941 with over half still in service in 1943 the Polikarpov IL-16 was a historically significant aircraft.  I was the worlds first monoplane fighter, the first with retractable landing gear, and the first with a closed cockpit (some versions).  It was built in many varients over it's lifespan but the type 24 was the most used varient in WWII.  The type 28 replaces two of the 7.62 mm ShKAS with to 20mm ShVAK cannons.
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2009, 11:47:00 AM »
32kft in that cockpit?... :lol
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2009, 11:48:42 AM »
Will this be historically correct and have no trim tabs?

Also I am loving the early war planes, I hope we can fit in some Defiants, MiGs, and maybe a Gloster Gladiator?

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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2009, 11:48:58 AM »
Replying to both you and Lusche:  My speculation is that if the I16 doesn't scrub its E too quick in maneuvers, it'll be more than a novelty counter to the Hurricane IIc.  All the I16 would require is proper ACM, which trumps most of the guys crutching with the IIc.

This is of course totally true...but in a many vs many situation those hispanos are really really nasty...but so is I-16's small size when you try to hit it. :)
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2009, 11:50:29 AM »
I can't wait to try it out...

That wing texture is sweet... You can almost feel the metal skin undulations.
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #67 on: June 10, 2009, 11:52:06 AM »
I think that's canvas :D

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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #68 on: June 10, 2009, 11:52:28 AM »
WOOWOO...Can't wait to see how well it performs  :rock
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #69 on: June 10, 2009, 11:54:58 AM »
Will this be historically correct and have no trim tabs?

I don't think so
It will probably have trim tabs, auto pilot, and a sing throttle control (can't remember the official name).
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #70 on: June 10, 2009, 11:58:58 AM »
I think that's canvas :D
Really.. We don't have any other canvas wings, do we? Those JPN early models? 
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #71 on: June 10, 2009, 11:59:10 AM »
No aircraft in aces high really has trim tabs, all trim does is change the center point of your stick (if that makes any sense).
Many fighters in game that have the ability to trim in reality did not.

Really.. We don't have any other canvas wings, do we? Those JPN early models? 
Hurricane did, didn't it?


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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #72 on: June 10, 2009, 11:59:16 AM »
I can't wait to try it out...

That wing texture is sweet... You can almost feel the metal skin undulations.

Oh man you're right, that's awesome.  WTFG Waffle/Greebo.

(I expect an "I-16 skins" thread soon....:D)

edit:  canvas, not metal, just makes it cooler.
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #73 on: June 10, 2009, 11:59:22 AM »
hard to find data on the service dates, this has some break down....
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/i-16-t18.html  

Shows the Type 18 as the 1939 production version and the type 24 as also 1939. I'd assume that those would be the 2 most likey versions for AH....
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/i-16-t24.html  

Type 17 has the 2x20mm and is 1938 model....
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/i-16-t17.html     

A lot of variations, 20mm seem to be 150 rds each...so 300 x 20mm
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Re: WooHoo! The I-16!
« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2009, 12:02:09 PM »
With 20mm's, I think it would be pretty useful in MWA, as a Hurri hunter...
But with 4 x .30 tickytack guns, it would be like chickenpeckin'em to death..
I'd probably die before I could finish the job, lol!!!
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