Someone explain to me something

[Shuffler]

On equal machines XP Pro is faster unless you turn off all the garbage that make vista... well vista. Vista is ok if your absolute new to windows. It has a lot of built in protection.

Windows 7 looks to be nothing much more than a relabel of vista at this point.


As for being cool to say one or the other, I leave that for the kids. I just call it like I see it. I currently deal with 10 vista machines at my shop and I hate each one of them. The new Laser I bought last year is a Trumpf 5040 ($1.3M). It is considered the cadillac of the laser industry ...... it uses windows 2000 as the OS. That should speak volumes.

[Saxman]

Vista=The Windows ME of this era....

I can't even imagine the experience you had with Vista that led you to make THIS claim. Vista is just a mild headache until you disable its overbearing security (actually, I only had to change ONE option to fix that, running the "Disable UAC" tool from msconfig). I've had NO problems with it (excepting the large install size, needed to repartition my C drive...). The depths to which Windows Multiple Error sucked is incomparable and likening it to Vista is what's preposterous.

[Shuffler]

I can't even imagine the experience you had with Vista that led you to make THIS claim. Vista is just a mild headache until you disable its overbearing security (actually, I only had to change ONE option to fix that, running the "Disable UAC" tool from msconfig). I've had NO problems with it (excepting the large install size, needed to repartition my C drive...). The depths to which Windows Multiple Error sucked is incomparable and likening it to Vista is what's preposterous.

Not to mention its memory leak.................

[OOZ662]

The new Laser I bought last year is a Trumpf 5040 ($1.3M). It is considered the cadillac of the laser industry ...... it uses windows 2000 as the OS. That should speak volumes.

As I remember it, a lot of military systems a re running on "Windows 98" (in quotes due to the obvious modifications they've done to it). Point being, they use what works, not what's shiny. Why would I be any different?

The point someone made up there about "dragging XP into the new programs" must not have been around for the Win98->XP conversion. People were still able to use that for everything until support was dropped for it, and even then many people stuck it out. Windows XP isn't a dinosaur, is still supported, and is still one of the leading OSes. We're not dragging it anywhere.

[Die Hard]

Games usually run faster on Vista than on XP these days, on the same hardware. Then there is DX10 as Anodizer mentioned; the only reason I upgraded.

[Skuzzy]

Sorry Die Hard, that is just not true at all.  I have a Vista box and have tested it with several games.  On the same box loaded with Windows XP Pro, Vista performance is about 15% slower across the board.  That is a dual-core Intel CPU with 2GB of RAM.

Llama and I worked on a Vista laptop for over 6 hours at the last CON getting it to run any game smoothly.  We finally did.  There is something inherently wrong with an operating system design which requires that type of expertise in order to get applications to run correctly.

The perception that Vista runs faster comes from those who had an atrocious installation of Windows XP.  If you left any Microsoft operating system to its own devices, after about 3 years it would be a complete mess and performance would be abysmal.

People moving from those poor installations to Vista, would certainly gain performance.  But then again, if those same people re-installed XP, they would, potentially, get even better performance gains.

Vista has a lot of design flaws in it which are being corrected in Windows 7.  Windows 7 is the operating system Microsoft should have shipped the first time.  I will be so glad when Vista is buried.

After 6 months of using it and not being able to print to a network printer, not be able to share files, not being able to run most of the Microsoft development tools without hacking the registry, not being able to install SP1,....I was allowed to get it off my computer.  It was so nice to get back to work again and not have all the fraking compatibility problems.

The inconsistency of the experiences, from user to user, are a big red flag things are very wrong with Vista.  Yes, it is just like Windows ME, in that regard.

[Die Hard]

You're right, it seems Vista isn't faster after all. However according to Tom's Hardware the difference is not very big.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531.html


DX10 then seems to be the only reason to get Vista over XP.

[morfiend]

You're right, it seems Vista isn't faster after all. However according to Tom's Hardware the difference is not very big.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xp-vs-vista,1531.html


DX10 then seems to be the only reason to get Vista over XP.

 That and with the 64 bit version the larger ram addressing......... and if ya think vista's bad check out xp64....

[Tr1gg22]

Sorry Die Hard, that is just not true at all.  I have a Vista box and have tested it with several games.  On the same box loaded with Windows XP Pro, Vista performance is about 15% slower across the board.  That is a dual-core Intel CPU with 2GB of RAM.

Llama and I worked on a Vista laptop for over 6 hours at the last CON getting it to run any game smoothly.  We finally did.  There is something inherently wrong with an operating system design which requires that type of expertise in order to get applications to run correctly.

The perception that Vista runs faster comes from those who had an atrocious installation of Windows XP.  If you left any Microsoft operating system to its own devices, after about 3 years it would be a complete mess and performance would be abysmal.

People moving from those poor installations to Vista, would certainly gain performance.  But then again, if those same people re-installed XP, they would, potentially, get even better performance gains.

Vista has a lot of design flaws in it which are being corrected in Windows 7.  Windows 7 is the operating system Microsoft should have shipped the first time.  I will be so glad when Vista is buried.

After 6 months of using it and not being able to print to a network printer, not be able to share files, not being able to run most of the Microsoft development tools without hacking the registry, not being able to install SP1,....I was allowed to get it off my computer.  It was so nice to get back to work again and not have all the fraking compatibility problems.

The inconsistency of the experiences, from user to user, are a big red flag things are very wrong with Vista.  Yes, it is just like Windows ME, in that regard.

I wish microsoft would stop doing this crap to people I just got a new pc with vista 64...I do not like it one bit  Microsoft should give everyone with vista a free upgrade to windows 7  I no they will not   Selling crap to people that don't really no what there getting is BS... I no I bought it on my own and yes that is my fault... Microsoft needs more competition.. How much is windows 7 going to cost and when is it suppose to be out?

[Shuffler]

I wish microsoft would stop doing this crap to people I just got a new pc with vista 64...I do not like it one bit  Microsoft should give everyone with vista a free upgrade to windows 7  I no they will not   Selling crap to people that don't really no what there getting is BS... I no I bought it on my own and yes that is my fault... Microsoft needs more competition.. How much is windows 7 going to cost and when is it suppose to be out?

Just upgrade to XP Pro.

[Tr1gg22]

Just upgrade to XP Pro.

Just a little more money out the door...

[Skuzzy]

In the long run it would probably cost Microsoft a lot less to upgrade all Vista users to Windows 7 for free, than for them to have to continue pouring resources into supporting Vista.

Overall, it is still a fairly small percentage of the marketplace.

I could say something tacky about their bean counter CEO, but no point in it.

[mensa180]

Blow? possably, but not my mind 



Your doing something wrong then, it should run smooth as glass on anything approaching those specs.
 

close/disable them? you know how? or did I just blow your mind?

if by better you mean vastly different than vista?  its going to be a while..

Vista came installed with my computer, it was impossible for me to do anything wrong.  I just turned it on and used it normally .  Yes, I know how to kill services and how to turn off the protective user crap, and I did.  It was still slower than XP and just felt loaded down.  Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate it out of the box.  At first I loved it, thought it was great, but the more I used it the slower it got.

And no, it wasn't from "those" sites.  I am a virus free computer user .

[OOZ662]

Don't get me wrong, I didn't hate it out of the box.  At first I loved it, thought it was great, but the more I used it the slower it got.

Same thing with the laptop I helped my (now)ex buy. She loved it and wouldn't let go of it...for the first two months. Then she was begging for XP.

[Die Hard]

The people that seem to think Windows 7 will the savior of PCs everywhere is missing the fact that Windows 7 is based on Vista. It will probably be even more bloated.