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Offline SKurj

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2001, 02:08:00 PM »
Yeah I though about what Karnak said, and then I realized, without the Beau, the RAF have NO torpedo planes.  Sure the allies did use a limited # of TBM's, and swordfish, but noone is gonna give us a Tarpon, and the swordfish would be just a big waste o time without a scenario.  The Beau would have a purpose, especially with the convoys coming +)  The Beau would make a better attack plane than the JU also.  (of course the mossie would rate well there as well)


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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2001, 09:31:00 PM »
pugg666 said:


8 .50's in the nose and 3 in each wing <BG>
14 rockets and 2-3K bomb load <biggrin.gif>


Don't forget that the top turret could be aimed dead-ahead and then the two turret .50's could be fired by the pilot with the nose guns.

That would be ten .50's in the nose, six in the wings  :D

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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2001, 04:06:00 AM »
Beaufighter Mk.21 was based on the TF.X but had more powerful engines as well as the 4 x .50s replacing the 6 x .303s.  

Out of the Beaufighters this is the one I'd most like, but a TF.X would do nicely either way (Scotland based one  :) ).
 

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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2001, 05:18:00 AM »
Eh?

Fahgedabout the Beau.

Get yer noses out of yer books folks.... Torps don't sink CVs in Aces High. Sure.... they could (and should), but it's practically an art and well, lets be realistic about it. Doesn't happen unless ya banzaiieee yer torp into the side of a boat. For better or for worse, people just aint interested in honing that particular skill. And be honest - nobody here waving the Beau flag is gonna be in the TA learnin how to torp. It's academic is all.

Mossies had torps though. Plus a bunch of other goodies and stuff. They also were a heck of alot faster than Beaus and instead of 4 50's, they had 4 20's and then some. It would be rediculous to model a Beau before the Mossie. Nobody would touch a Beau save the release day curiosity spin around the block. And at that they wouldn't make it 1/2 way around the block before gettin' slapped silly and succumbing to a firey death.

If you want a twin engine fighter/attack aircraft you are begging for the Mossie it is just that simple.

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2001, 07:08:00 AM »
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Mossies had torps though. Plus a bunch of other goodies and stuff. They also were a heck of alot faster than Beaus and instead of 4 50's, they had 4 20's and then some.

A torpedo armed Mossie was the exception , not the rule.
Also, with the convoys coming the Beau will be an exceptional anti-shipping weapon.
Plus the Beau also has 4x20mm, and in the case of the Mk21: 4x.50cals + 1 rear firing machine gun + Rockets,Bombs etc. The Beau served in Pacific, Med, and European front line squadrons till the end of the war.

I think you tend to forget, not everyones into the hotrods of the skies..some actually like a little character with their A/c

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2001, 11:38:00 AM »
Yup, 4 x 20mm AND 4 x.50s as in the case of the Beaufighter Mk21 (replacing the 6 x .303s of the TF.X).  As for the Beaufighter Nightfighter, it didn't have to sacrifice any forward guns when installed with radar as compared to the Mosquito.

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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2001, 05:03:00 AM »
Yeah don't listen to me... I dunno why I said that. The Beau would be *awesome* to see in Aces High... I guess it's a side effect of wanting to see a particular plane so bad, that ya start talking nonsense.  :)

The Mossie, the Beau... anything. I like seeing them all find their way in as eventually they no doubt will.

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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2001, 02:16:00 PM »
Yup Beaufighters were great attack airplanes .... until there was aerial opposition. They were nearly useless in self defence against 109s and 190s as they were poor at turning and had only weak rear armaments at best. If you attack a convoy in a Beau, you had better have a lot of help in distracting the CAP.

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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2001, 03:26:00 PM »
Anyone given any thought to a G4M Betty armed with a bakka bomb?  Might be neat to commit suicide against a carrier although it would count as a death in the bomber column.

I propose that an individual could fly the Betty to it's intended target then transfer to the ohka (bakka bomb)via key control and launch against the carrier (or other installation).  The Betty would then disappear (unless you've got a gunner joined as the Ohka pilot and you're the betty pilot) and the individual would be left piloting the winged bomb toward it's intended target.

If you hit a carrier and sink it, your reward would be 20-25 bomber perks.  If you hit a hangar or other installation it would be much less; on the order of 3-5 perks.  I'm thinking it would be similiar to a Lancaster hitting it with a 4,000 lb. bomb.

Flying the Ohka would not be an easy job as it is essentially a manned bomb with short stubby wings and tail.  In order to get those 20-25 bomber perks, you would have to work pretty hard as those wings would rip off at a high speed.  Then you really are a manned bomb without any control.  You could  be shot down by fast fighters as well.  The ohka would have approximately a 1-7 mile range (depending upon the alt of the Betty at launch) at the most as it is unpowered.

An experiment in the spirit of the Kamikaze; only with a cyber reality twist.   :)

The Betty can also be used as a conventional bomber and a torpedo bomber as are the Ju88 and TBM.

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2001, 04:02:00 PM »
EDO43,

Hitting with the Ohka would not be as hard as you make it out to be.  It was not simply a manned bomb, it was a manned, rocket powered missle.

The hard part of the G4M2/Ohka combo would be getting the G4M2 into launcing range of your target, from there out the Ohka would be nearly unstoppable.

I agree that it would be neat, but I think that the combo would need to be a cheap bomber perk, say, about 5 points.
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2001, 06:26:00 PM »
My error...Rocket equipped  :o
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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2001, 07:06:00 PM »
Yeah!! more support for the Beau!!

I've got a top speed of around 325 mph for the beau at 15kft.  That sound accurate?

I think the Beau would fit into the planeset as well or better than the JU and IL2.
Did the Beau ever get armed with anything like a 6lb gun?

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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2001, 11:26:00 PM »
Pugg, you also forgot the 20mm cannon right in the middle of those eight .50s.  :D