Aircraft Errors

[Nashwan]

here's another plane missing it's correct loadout
 
Drop tanks and rockets for the Typhoon!

[Jigster]

And the P-38 could carry 14 rockets, 7 on each set of wing rails (not in the xmas tree thingy that holds 5)

[juzz]

For Frenchy: Hmmm, a P-47N-5 with LESS ordinance on it than the AH P-47D-25/30 can carry - my point proven.  

For Nashwan: Anyone can produce a picture of a plane with some arbitrary loadout(eg: half the stuff RAM listed), but what was the exact situation? Prototype? Field mod? Standard feature?

For Tac & Jigster:  

The P-38L was produced in two blocks. The 1290 P-38L-1-LOs were similar to the P-38J-25-LOs except for the new engines. Some were modified by the USAAF as TP-38L-1-LO two-seat familiarization trainers. The 2520 P-38L-5-LOs had submerged fuel pumps and, after the unsatisfactory testing fourteen five-inch HVAR on zero-length launchers beneath the wing outer panel, underwing rocket "trees" for ten five-inch rockets were mounted. The racks underneath the wing center sections were strengthened to enable either 2000-lb bombs or 300-US gallon drop tanks to be carried.

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p38_15.html

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 05-05-2001).]

[Karnak]

juzz,

Snafu's Pilot Handbook for the Mosquito FB.6 has a section that sort of backs up Nashwan's picture as operational.  The handbook states that when the Mosquito carried droptanks and rockets the rockets may not be fired with the droptanks still attached or for 1 minute after the droptanks have been released.

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[R4M]

 

Originally posted by juzz:
For Nashwan: Anyone can produce a picture of a plane with some arbitrary loadout(eg: half the stuff RAM listed

hey hey hey hey hey!!! wait a minute!!!


Ju88 is missing teh 1000kg and 2000kg bombs (fishu I think hat the SC2000 could also be carried in the wing rack of the Ju88). The 20mm frontal cannon, AND (MOST importantly IMHO), the flexible-mounted 13mm heavy MG instead of the peashooters------>Ju88s carried 1000kg bombs many times, the 20mm frontal cannon was well used in many of the finnish A-4s (and i would think it was quite used in LW too). And teh 13mm flexible mounting was WIDELY used in the 88A4. granted the SC2000 was not very used   but I just say the option was there.

 Fw190A8 and F8 miss the 1000kg bomb for central rack-------> no comment   in fact If I had lobbied for the SC1400, then that would've been arguable but the SC1000 was an option and was used.

 Fw190A8 lacks the option to load wing gondolas with four MG151/20 cannons------>Fw190A8/R1, widely used

 Fw190F8 lacks rockets, Drop tank, and 250kg bomb options for the wings.-----> ETC250 in the wings able to carry four SC50, one SC250 or one DT each. Here we have only the 4xSC50s. The R4M rocket was used in the East front in the latest days of the war for butchering russian IS-2 and T-34/85 tanks.

 Fw190A5 lacks the U3 long range Jabo option to remove MGs and outter cannon and carry wing DTs or 250Kg bombs------------->this modification was so common that in the end it was denominated 190G3  

 Fw190A and Bf109 AA rockets time fuzed is WAY off.------------->known bug
 
 All Fw190s should have the option to remove the cowl MGs -------->many buff interceptors got rid of them.

 Me109G6/G10 lack the 3xmk108 30mm option.------->OK the is the only one it was very rare  

So out of all my points, just the 3x30mm for the 109G6 and G10 and the SC2000 for the Ju88 are rare  


BTW frenchy, that P-47 has nice wing...I would said that it is not a D version wing  

And where is the central 500lb bomb?

 

[Nashwan]

It's not a mod of any sort. Typhoons could have rocket rails attached, and they had pylons for bombs or tanks. Simply put a tank on the pylon and attach as many of the rocket rails as you can.
This is an acepted loadout for US. They Typhoon should be treated exactly the same. There is room for rocket rails ad tanks as the photo demonstrates. Why shopuldn't we be able to fit them both?
As Karnak said, the Mosquito manual gives instructions for using a combined rocket/tank loadout, the Typhoon manual sadly hardly mentions rockets, but considering the mounting points on both planes are similar it seems likely the same procedures applied.
In regards to the photo, judging by he state of the aircraft I would say it certainly looks more like an operational photo than an experimental loadout.

[Wmaker]

 

Originally posted by Fishu:
Well, Ju-88 A-4 surely takes more bombs than just 2000kg.
It can take either 2x1000kg or 4x500kg (also mixed load of 500/250kg and 4x250kg, but 1000kg bombs were too big to fit more bombs) and then also fit some into the bombbay, so that would be fairly much over it.
(Perhaps those values were for external ordnance?)

Wing racks alone could take as much as 2800kg of bombs. Maximum for the outer racks was 500kg and 1800kg for one of the inner racks at a time. So you could take 250kg bombs with the 1000kg bombs as external ordinance for example. These options are listed in Jukka Raunio's book called Lentäjän Näkökulma IV which also has a picture from JU-88's operating manual describing them. I have that picture already scanned I just have to get some web space somewhere to upload it.

 

Originally posted by R4M:
Me109G6/G10 lack the 3xmk108 30mm option.

<sigh> RAM, I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again. These loadouts never reached combat units.

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[Staga]

WMaker I got plenty of empty space, Send pic to me and I'll put it up.

[Jigster]

Personally I'd like to see more asymmetrical loads on planes that did it opertaionally, including the Ju88, and other options of the F4U and P-38 if more slots are added under ordinance.

I'm not sure how they worked out wing loading on outer wing pylons,

The fuel content weight for the 150 DT's are @ 900 pounds, fairly close when including DT weight, to the 1000lb pound, which already are options on planes that carry the tanks (F4U, 38) but they are much closer to the roll axis and COG anyway.

The 75 gallon tanks on the P-51 have a fuel weight content 450 pounds...but they flew with 1X 75 gallon tanks and 1X 1000lb bomb quite a bit, where as it would seem to make more sense to use 500lb bombs from a strictly weight perspective.

[Wmaker]

Thanks for the offer Staga! But I managed to fight my overwhelming lazyness and took some space from MBnet.  

So here goes...
 

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