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Re: New box?
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2009, 01:19:44 PM »
Win7 is coming out so soon that you probably shouldn't worry much about the OS now.  I'd probably re-use the XP license from your old computer or buy the cheapest OEM OS you can find now (vista or XP, don't matter).  Then get one of the currently offered discount win7 upgrade pre-orders ($99ish) and upgrade when it ships.

Don't skimp on hardware now just because it will be a few months before you install an OS that will use it...
I thought the w7 upgrades were just for Vista, am I wrong about that?
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Re: New box?
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2009, 01:39:29 PM »
Windows 7 release date is Oct 22nd.... depends on how long you want to wait.  Most Vista purchases now are comming with a coupon for an upgrade DVD for the same flavor of Vista you purchase

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Re: New box?
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2009, 02:04:49 PM »
I thought the w7 upgrades were just for Vista, am I wrong about that?

You can pre-order the win7 upgrade edition, and it can be used to upgrade from XP.  The only downside is that you have to do a clean install, not an "upgrade" installation.  If you want to be able to just upgrade and not do a clean install, then you have to start with vista.
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Re: New box?
« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2009, 02:17:50 PM »
Clock speed also plays a role.  In general faster RAM needs to run with looser timings than slower RAM.  If you hear of someone overclocking RAM you'll usually also hear that they are loosening the timings.  For this reason you should get the fastest RAM that you can forsee needing, but not much faster than you'll need.  This optimizes the clock speed vs latencies.
LOL, I think I done opened a can of worms.   :D  It does sound like fun though.  Upon further review, I see the EVGA 790i moboard is DDR3/2000 but only dual channel with a max of 8GB.  Doesn't that mean I should do this in multiples of 2, i.e., 2x2GB vice 3x2GB?  Looks like I ought to start with a 4GB (2x2GB) and add 2 or 4 more GB later if needed.

Thanks for the tutoral on the timing and overclocking.  TD says that the OCZ Reaper is very good for this sort of thing so I'm going with that.  Which one is now the question.  Here are the options:

1150 at 5-6-6-18
1333 at 6-6-6-20
1600 at 7-7-7-24
1800 at 8-8-8-27

The moboard itself is rated at 2000 but, from what you're saying I'm actually limited by the FSB.  Assuming I overclock to 3.8GHz then the 1333 RAM looks right and it's a 20% jump in latency betweeen the 1333 and 1600 which seems like a fairly large jump.  How much higher should I be able to push the E8500?  Enough to justify the 1600 or 1800 RAM or are my gains offset by the increased latency?
 
Edit:  I may have answered this myself.  Assuming I overclock the CPU to a touch over 4GHz, my FSB would be 1800 which gives me 1350.  From what TD says about the reaper I'd think the 1333 would handle this just fine.  Am I on track here?
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Re: New box?
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2009, 02:23:18 PM »
You can pre-order the win7 upgrade edition, and it can be used to upgrade from XP.  The only downside is that you have to do a clean install, not an "upgrade" installation.  If you want to be able to just upgrade and not do a clean install, then you have to start with vista.
ARRRGGGGHHHHHH!  Darn you to heck Microsoft!  If there's one thing I hate doing it's Windows installs and all the housework and time that comes with it.  I have lousy computer hygeine and have no idea where all my software is.  Yeah, I know I'll have to find it all anyway for this build but then to have to turn around and do it all again in Oct sucks.  I think I'll try to use my current OS disks and buy the preorder even if it limits my RAM for now.  I'll be darned if I'll try out Vista.
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Re: New box?
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2009, 02:43:54 PM »
LOL, I think I done opened a can of worms.   :D  It does sound like fun though.  Upon further review, I see the EVGA 790i moboard is DDR3/2000 but only dual channel with a max of 8GB.  Doesn't that mean I should do this in multiples of 2, i.e., 2x2GB vice 3x2GB?  Looks like I ought to start with a 4GB (2x2GB) and add 2 or 4 more GB later if needed.

Thanks for the tutoral on the timing and overclocking.  TD says that the OCZ Reaper is very good for this sort of thing so I'm going with that.  Which one is now the question.  Here are the options:

1150 at 5-6-6-18
1333 at 6-6-6-20
1600 at 7-7-7-24
1800 at 8-8-8-27

The moboard itself is rated at 2000 but, from what you're saying I'm actually limited by the FSB.  Assuming I overclock to 3.8GHz then the 1333 RAM looks right and it's a 20% jump in latency betweeen the 1333 and 1600 which seems like a fairly large jump.  How much higher should I be able to push the E8500?  Enough to justify the 1600 or 1800 RAM or are my gains offset by the increased latency?
 
DDR3 comes in two flavors DDR3 (Dual Channel) and TriChannel DDR3 (intel i7's and what ever for AMD). Get the 1600 or the 1800 in a matched pair 2 x 2GB, you can go up or down from both.  If you dont want to deal with the setting you can get the OCZ Nvidia SLI memory which has the BIOS info on it.  It is worth getting the faster ram with the higher latency's because the FSB will also drag up too, overall system performance gain.  When you increase the latency your slowing the ram down for instance 1100MHz ram has a lower latency then 1800MHz, but, when you use the 1800 at its rated speed and being your FSB is dragged up with the 1800 ram your overall performance is greatly increased.

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Re: New box?
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2009, 02:56:42 PM »
DDR3 comes in two flavors DDR3 (Dual Channel) and TriChannel DDR3 (intel i7's and what ever for AMD). Get the 1600 or the 1800 in a matched pair 2 x 2GB, you can go up or down from both.  If you dont want to deal with the setting you can get the OCZ Nvidia SLI memory which has the BIOS info on it.  It is worth getting the faster ram with the higher latency's because the FSB will also drag up too, overall system performance gain.  When you increase the latency your slowing the ram down for instance 1100MHz ram has a lower latency then 1800MHz, but, when you use the 1800 at its rated speed and being your FSB is dragged up with the 1800 ram your overall performance is greatly increased.

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Don't understand about dragging the FSB around but will certainly take your word for it TD.  Although I haven't done it before I'm not particularly worried about the settings, I'll figure it all out (with you alls help of course ;)) 2x2GB 1800 Reapers on order.    :D
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Re: New box?
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2009, 03:03:53 PM »
LOL, I think I done opened a can of worms.   :D  It does sound like fun though.  Upon further review, I see the EVGA 790i moboard is DDR3/2000 but only dual channel with a max of 8GB.  Doesn't that mean I should do this in multiples of 2, i.e., 2x2GB vice 3x2GB?  Looks like I ought to start with a 4GB (2x2GB) and add 2 or 4 more GB later if needed.

Thanks for the tutoral on the timing and overclocking.  TD says that the OCZ Reaper is very good for this sort of thing so I'm going with that.  Which one is now the question.  Here are the options:

1150 at 5-6-6-18
1333 at 6-6-6-20
1600 at 7-7-7-24
1800 at 8-8-8-27

The moboard itself is rated at 2000 but, from what you're saying I'm actually limited by the FSB.  Assuming I overclock to 3.8GHz then the 1333 RAM looks right and it's a 20% jump in latency betweeen the 1333 and 1600 which seems like a fairly large jump.  How much higher should I be able to push the E8500?  Enough to justify the 1600 or 1800 RAM or are my gains offset by the increased latency?
 
Edit:  I may have answered this myself.  Assuming I overclock the CPU to a touch over 4GHz, my FSB would be 1800 which gives me 1350.  From what TD says about the reaper I'd think the 1333 would handle this just fine.  Am I on track here?

You don't want to buy lower than what you think you'll need otherwise you'll create a bottleneck at the RAM so I'd go with the 1600.  I doubt you'd ever clock over 5 Ghz on air except maybe as an experiment and the 1600 would get you there with overhead.
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Re: New box?
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2009, 03:23:43 PM »
Guess I should have asked this before but anyone know of interferance problems with the EVGA 790i moboard, Vendetta 2 cooler and the Reapers with the large cooling fins?  Am I going to be pulling out my dremel to get these all to fit?
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Re: New box?
« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2009, 03:32:02 PM »
Guess I should have asked this before but anyone know of interferance problems with the EVGA 790i moboard, Vendetta 2 cooler and the Reapers with the large cooling fins?  Am I going to be pulling out my dremel to get these all to fit?

You shouldn't have to but you might want to dig it out to do a little cable management.

There are some pics of my 780i with an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro, 8800 GTS and Kingston HyperX in this thread.  They are mounted in a Cooler Master mid-tower case:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264496.0.html
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Re: New box?
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2009, 03:49:03 PM »
You shouldn't have to but you might want to dig it out to do a little cable management.

There are some pics of my 780i with an Arctic Freezer 7 Pro, 8800 GTS and Kingston HyperX in this thread.  They are mounted in a Cooler Master mid-tower case:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,264496.0.html
That makes me feel better.  Looks like decent clearance between the cooler and 1st RAM slot, assuming of course that the measurements between the 780 and 790 are the same.  They look to be.
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