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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2009, 10:33:51 PM »
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 12:09:24 PM »
North American was having trouble selling the Mustang (NA-73X) to the Air Force. As part of the export agreement of wartime goods two examples of the P51 were delivered to the USAAF Air Material Command for evaluation where they remained sitting in the sun until it was determined that the USAAF and Navy needed a test of air-pneumatic gun chargers and the P51s were packed and sent to Eglin for testing. The 'Oh S**t' moment came when the P51 was dived toward the gun target and from 12000 ft broke 500 mph and the pilot overshot the target. After the succesful gun test the report sent to Wright Field indicating the tremendous flight performance of the Mustang caused quite a stir.

USAAF Procurement then revisited the NA offices and discovered that North American had not been waiting for them. Moving on their own initiative and realizing the need for an attack aircraft in the inventory (North American was known for this type of innovation) they had moved ahead and designed and constructed the aircraft that would later become the A36 Apache. The Army initially called the aircraft the F-6a and adopted the factory 'Plan' name of Apache. To the Army the P51 and F-6a and A36 were all called Apache in the beginning and it was later changed to Mustang. No one has ever explained why the Mustang should have the honor of adapting the British name when no other type was ever treated in the same manner.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2009, 02:31:09 PM »
No one has ever explained why the Mustang should have the honor of adapting the British name when no other type was ever treated in the same manner.

No other type?  The Lighting got its name from the British, otherwise it would have gone by the rather lame name of "Atlanta".


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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2009, 02:46:21 PM »
The P-38 did not go into service with the Army as the 'P-38 Atlanta' and then get renamed.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2009, 09:54:42 PM »
The P-38 did not go into service with the Army as the 'P-38 Atlanta' and then get renamed.

The A36 and the P-51 are to very different aircraft.  Enough so that the designations remained distinctly different.

They do share some nifty looking comparisons when looked at in profile though...  I can understand why it confuses most.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2009, 09:58:50 PM »
I saw an A-36 last weekend (at Dayton), and it looks like a pretty cool airplane.  I'd fly it.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2009, 12:17:51 AM »
The A36 and the P-51 are to very different aircraft.  Enough so that the designations remained distinctly different.

They do share some nifty looking comparisons when looked at in profile though...  I can understand why it confuses most.

While what you say is true there may be people that come along behind us and think what you have said somehow disputes what I have contributed here so I will clarify what I mean.

The NA-73X project was acceptable to the British and the aircraft further evolved into the Mustang line (NA-91). The NA-73X line in its purist form becomes the P-51 and is further evolved into an attack aircraft as the A-36. From the very beginning the 'Plan name' of both projects is Apache. Furthermore the aircraft is first called Apache as it enters into US Army inventory. 55 of the NA-91 line (P-51s in Air Force terms) are retained by the Army for modification into photo reconnaissance and are designated F-6A. All of the pilots first assigned to Peterson Field Colorado were trained in F-6A Apaches which within the first month officially became F-6A Mustangs.

This is touched upon just briefly in the book "Mustang: The Story of the P-51 Fighter" by Robert W. Gruenhagen on page 60 where he writes (following the 'Oh S**t' moment I mentioned above):

At this time the Air Force accepted the Mustang and in an effort to establish its new mission and identity the name "Apache" was assigned to the P-51. By the time the "Apache" was received by flying units the designation had been changed to F-6A indicating a photo recon ship and the name was accepted as Mustang to conform to the standards being established by British use of the aircraft.

More than 800 pilots would be trained in the F-6A and some of them would later fly the A-36 Apache in a photo recon role.

Also the A-36 was the first of the Mustang line that allowed for the mounting of bombs or external fuel tanks. The A-36 played a pivotal role in inventory acceptance and so it most certainly should be present in AHII.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2009, 10:26:47 AM »
Actually, It was the A-36 Invader.

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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2009, 12:24:08 PM »
Thats funny because Army personnel actually did call it (the A-36 anyway) the Invader but it never stuck.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2009, 12:29:17 PM »
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2009, 12:35:26 PM »
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2009, 01:06:36 AM »
Thats funny because Army personnel actually did call it (the A-36 anyway) the Invader but it never stuck.

From a 1941 copyrighted book "Warplanes in Action!" I found in an old relatives stuff.  Thought it interesting

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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2009, 06:32:09 PM »
The A-36 played a pivotal role in inventory acceptance and so it most certainly should be present in AHII.
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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2009, 06:43:51 PM »
That is an interesting pic Dan. High altitude battles with an Allison powered airplane.?????

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Re: A36 Apache
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2009, 12:06:33 AM »
That is an interesting pic Dan. High altitude battles with an Allison powered airplane.?????

Most definately 1941 make em feel better propoganda

The book also describes the Devesator as the Navy's "Mighty Torpedo bomber!"

descriptions of the Airacobra and others follow that same path :)
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