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boeing formation flying
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Re: boeing formation flying
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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 06:51:00 AM »
is that first pic real?!!?!?
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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 08:24:12 AM »
Appears from my eyesight to be. 
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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2009, 08:41:58 AM »
With the right camera angle you can make airplanes with >1 mile separation departing different runways seem close.  Cool shots  :aok but not as close to disaster as you might want to think.

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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2009, 01:56:51 PM »
To my untrained eye, those both seem like 737's :). Questions for you pilots like Golfer, are the engines different on each plane because they're different models? Or are they just a different engine? If they're different models can pilots with 737 ratings be used interchangeably, or do you have one type of model that you fly and that's it? Also if they're the same model would different engine types affect anything like your Vspeeds on checklists or speeds at altitude?

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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 02:01:11 PM »
Definitely different engines there, one has turbojets, the other turbofans.
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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2009, 03:21:10 PM »
The short answer Tordon is yes.  A B-737 type rating allows you to fly most (if not all) of the 737s.  I say this because I thought the 737NG (Next Generation) required a separate type rating from the rest of the fleet. The Advisory Circular that lists the type ratings available and what they cover don't show a difference so according to this data one is good for all.

The significant differences which require different type ratings between airframes these days is usually avionics.  The Falcon 2000 (DA-2000) and Falcon 2000 EX EASy (DA-2EASY) are an example of this where you'll find the same airframe with significant differences in avionics that a separate type rating was deemed necessary.  Cessna Citation 500 series airplanes are covered by a CE-500 type.  That means I can fly a Citation 500, 501, 550, 551, S550, Bravo, 560, Ultra and Encore under that one type rating.  There are several generations of avionics differences between the earliest 500 and the off the line Encores.  Despite having very similar systems and avionics to the Citation Ultra, the Citation Excel requires a separate type rating which is designated CE-560XL.  That is just another example of how some seemingly minor differences from a pilot and systems stand point can require a new type rating.  On the other hand the Boeing 757 and 767 share a common type rating so when you pass a checkride in one you automatically get one in the other.  This happened with the Embraer 170 where I was issued an ERJ-190 rating in addition despite not doing any official training on the differences between the two types.

The differences between the 737's pictured as you pointed out are engines.  While I can say the airplane with the Cigar Engines (earlier turbojets) is either a -100 or -200 I'm not sure of the external differences to tell them apart.  If I knew how many windows there were supposed to be I guess that would be one way to tell.  The airplane with the Turbofan engines (although these are still considered "turbojet" in the FAA's definition of how they differentiate jet and propeller airplanes) is probably a -300 but again I'm not totally sure because the only way I know to tell the difference is the -300 has 1 emergency exit over the wing, the -400 has two.  It's a -300, 400 or 500.  Based on its relative size I'd say it's a -300.  Hope that helps more than hinders.

I didn't see the second photo earlier but it looks to be on purpose as opposed to a nifty angle.  The first photo, while does look like the number 2 airplane is pitching out, could have been a parallel departure much like you see in Atlanta which prompted my earlier reply.  Still, neat photos!

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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2009, 05:57:12 PM »
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/19679169

bit close that
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Hmm, wouldn't the force of the angled 737's #1 engine cause damage to the level ones wing/lift? I'd think that the force of the engine exhaust (jet wake) would disrupt the lift causing the plane to angle right and cause a collision, and the direct heat/force may (unlikely) cause the metal to warp some disrupt the lift more? Something about it is screaming FAKE to me...

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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2009, 06:04:37 PM »
Hmm, wouldn't the force of the angled 737's #1 engine cause damage to the level ones wing/lift? I'd think that the force of the engine exhaust (jet wake) would disrupt the lift causing the plane to angle right and cause a collision, and the direct heat/force may (unlikely) cause the metal to warp some disrupt the lift more? Something about it is screaming FAKE to me...

Prove me wrong please. :D

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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2009, 06:15:20 PM »
Thanks for the great reply Golfer!

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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2009, 07:04:20 PM »
You need to hide the hooks a little better in your bait.
Thanks for the warning. :D
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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2009, 09:20:48 PM »
Definitely different engines there, one has turbojets, the other turbofans.
One of them is the older 737-200.
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Re: boeing formation flying
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 12:07:04 AM »
You need to hide the hooks a little better in your bait.

You need to not see the hooks quite so well. ;)
Interesting photo none-the-less. :D
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