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VISCONTI

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« on: July 26, 2000, 11:47:00 AM »
Hi again,

I have found that web page on the SM79:
 http://utenti.tripod.it/eaglepress2/s79/s79bis.htm

Is full of particular pics and drawing of that bird.
I hope that these pictures will be usefull for modelling the bomber.

best regards.



Offline Vermillion

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2000, 01:18:00 PM »
Nice website and pictures, VISCONTI thanks  

It should be quite helpful if HTC decides to model this bomber.

A couple of questions.

Where was the bombardier's station and the radio operators station? In the belly gondola?

Was there a side gunner's position? Or just the upper dorsal and lower gondola positions, plus the forward firing (pilot controled?) gun in the upper dorsal?

What is the development history of this aircraft? It looks to me like it was originally a civilian transport that was modified to be a bomber.

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2000, 01:35:00 PM »
SM . 79 was considered an effective torpedo bomber, it carried two torps, had a high speed for a multi engined airplane, and handled very well at low altitude.  It might be a good candidate to flesh out the torpedo bomber niche.  

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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2000, 05:17:00 PM »
Look also, this Web Site in "Technical" section.
More nice pics.
 www.amivirtual.com

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2000, 10:48:00 AM »
to you it appeals to to this design??

 

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2000, 02:52:00 PM »
I've always loved that plane.

truely a great looking trimotor bomber  

used by germany on the western front against the russians too  
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2000, 07:08:00 AM »
VISCONTI BUSC appeals to this beautifulst photo to you? I have orriginal photo  

 

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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2000, 10:07:00 AM »
Vermillion, to try and answer your questions:

According to a cutaway drawing of the S.M.79-I, the radio operator and flight mechanic sit just behind the cockpit, under the dorsal gun. I assume one of them would operate this weapon. The bomb-aimer uses the bombsight in the gondola, where he also has the ventral gun to operate.

In the drawing there is a single 7.7mm waist gun mounted on a rail that is fired to either side through hatches, one of which can be seen outlined in white in the b&w photo above, above the three lower side windows. The forward gun was fixed, and operated by the pilot.

S.M.79 History.

The S.M.79 was proposed by Alessandro Marchetti in 1934 as a cleaned-up and faster development of his earlier S.M.81 - supposedly to participate in the prestigious 1934 "MacRobertson" race from England to Australia. First flying in October 1934, the S.M.79P wasn't completed in time however, but went on to set several 1000km and 2000km closed circuit world records. Among their many racing acheivements, S.M.79's claimed the first three places in the 1937 Istres-Damascus-Paris race.

After the S.M.79P, 5 S.M.79C(orsa) racers and 11 S.M.79T(ransatlantica) long range commercial transports were completed with 1000hp Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radials, and work began on the S.M.79B - a twin engine comercial transport version.

The S.M.79B failed to gain interest as a commercial aircraft, but was sold as a military aircraft to Iraq(4) and Brazil(3) equipped with 1030hp Fiat A.80 radials.

Romania purchased 24 S.M.79B with 1000hp Gnome-Rhone radials, and later another 24 with 1220hp Jumo 211Da inlines. Romania also arranged to license-build their own version of the S.M.79B as the S.M.79-JR at the IAR factory in Bucharest. These aircraft had top speed 277mph at 16400ft, climb to 9845ft in 8:40, and ceiling 24280ft.

The S.M.79 entered service with the Regia Aeronautica in 1936 as the S.M.79-I with three 780hp Alfa Romeo 126 RC.34 radials.

In 1937 trials had begun with torpedo installations on the S.M.79-I, at the same time more powerful engines were fitted, resulting in the S.M.79-II with 1000hp Piaggio P.XI RC.40 radials and the ability to carry 2 torpedoes(although usually only 1 was carried).

In late 1943 small numbers of the S.M.79-III appeared, powered by 1350hp Alfa Romeo 135 RC.32 radials. The ventral gondola and bombsight were removed, and the forward machinegun was replaced with a 20mm cannon.

Apparently there was also a system of ethyl injection used with the Alfa Romeo 128 RC.18 engine, which boosted the top speed to over 298mph, but also led to large numbers of unserviceable engines causing the grounding of most of the S.M.79 still in service by the time of the invasion of Sicily.

In total, 1330 S.M.79 were produced in Italy between 1934 and 1944.

Source: Bombers of World War II ISBN: 1-84013-149-7 (The book is a 1998 compilation of material previously published in the Airplane reference set of magazines.)

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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2000, 10:18:00 AM »
Thanks Juzz, some of that was unclear to me from just looking at the pictures. I appreciate it  

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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2000, 10:58:00 AM »
Yeh she sure was a Beautiful plane, would be good for WW2 Desert Scenarios, Malta too,
lets not forget the Cant 1007, which saw extensive action throughout WW2.
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2000, 02:03:00 PM »
To the lateral guns of the SM79:
Early production types had 1 Wickers gun mounted on a slide in order to be moved from 1 side to the other. Later this solution was replaced by two Breda Safat in the 7,7 mm version. AFAIK two Breda were retrofitted also on the planes which had the Wickers.
The radio operator and the mechanician were the operators of the dorsal and the side guns (only one side gun could be operated at the same time).
The story of the 20mm cannon instead of the frontal 12,7 Breda seems to be more a legend than a matter of fact. Also the legend that many crews removed the 12,7 mm fixed forward gun replacing with a mere pipe in order to save weight was, if happened, a very limited habit.
All pilots and crews loved the extreme durability of the plane and its ability to perfom real aerobatics (Tonneaux, loopings etc.) obviously not at full load  
An interesting source is "SM-79 il gobbo maledetto" by Spaggiari-D'Agostino edited in 1979 with many interwiews with pilots and crew-men and apparently hard flight data and a deep description of the technical "highlights" of this plane.
Last but not least: Even if the SM79 was able to carry 2 torpedoes, the SM79 never went in action with more than 1 Torpedo. There are pictures showing Sm79's with 2 Torpedoes only on the ground (maybe made for propaganda)and maybe it carried 2 during transfert flights.

The only "overpower"-device I've read of on this plane was the so called +100, a position of the throttle allowing the engines to go higher in revs than normally allowed. Later on a +200 was introduced to let the engines go even higher (I think the device operated on the fuel pressure, but I have to read the book more carefully): it was used for a short time (in theory: I read an account were it was told to be used for more than 20 minutes...) during the "hot part" of the action allowing the SM79 to reach some 420kmh (at sea level) in order to escape from the AA-fire and the enemy fighters over the convoy: not bad for a mid '30 design...

BRING IT ON!

Luigi Pacetti