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Offline Urchin

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2009, 06:04:35 AM »
Serenity, I'm going to join the ranks of people giving you unwanted advice lol.

If you don't know what you want "to do when you grow up" then don't go to college.  Nothing wrong with that.  I went right out of high school, wasted 4 years of my life getting a history degree I'll never use. 

If you have a pretty good idea of what you want to do, you just have to figure out how to get there.  Just have a backup plan.  Or two.  Or three :).

Getting a college degree is pretty much a necessity if you want to get a decent civilian job, even more so for someone younger like you.  I'd recommend something along the lines of engineering/compsci/math/physics.  Something practical.  Anyway, doing a tour or two in the military isn't a bad idea (I was just a touch too chickenshit as a young man, and now I'm married) - it'll mature you and at the very least give you an experience that is better than working a dead end job at Walmart (I speak from experience there). 

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2009, 06:28:33 AM »
Serenity, I'm going to join the ranks of people giving you unwanted advice lol.

If you don't know what you want "to do when you grow up" then don't go to college.  Nothing wrong with that.  I went right out of high school, wasted 4 years of my life getting a history degree I'll never use. 

If you have a pretty good idea of what you want to do, you just have to figure out how to get there.  Just have a backup plan.  Or two.  Or three :).

Getting a college degree is pretty much a necessity if you want to get a decent civilian job, even more so for someone younger like you.  I'd recommend something along the lines of engineering/compsci/math/physics.  Something practical.  Anyway, doing a tour or two in the military isn't a bad idea (I was just a touch too chickensoup as a young man, and now I'm married) - it'll mature you and at the very least give you an experience that is better than working a dead end job at Walmart (I speak from experience there). 

Thanks! I think my intentions are a bit muddied, I know what I want to do with my life, and if it requires college, I will go. I'm no idiot, and I have several colleges trying to cherry-pick me already, I just have no desire to go after a year of hell in highschool this year. WO is my backup, because the Academies, while looking like a good chance, may still fall through. Maybe all I need (If I dont make the Academy) is a year or two off from school to recoup, but after the year I have coming (5 AP classes...) I think I want to avoid more school at all possible if I don't need it to get into a cockpit. What did you do in the service?

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2009, 08:20:53 AM »
Hmmmm, you had a "year of hell" in high school? And now ya want to join the military? I think you should contemplate
your reasons for enlistment, DEEPLY, before you make a commitment that you may regret... Its not an easy road!!!
I'm still just a grungy little USMC rifleman at heart, Retired (medical) E8.. Full bennies, but paid for'em the hard way...
I've seen hundreds of kids like you, thinking that signing the dotted line means bonus money, and a govt paid college
program... If it works out that way for ya, that'd be great... But it rarely does in the end...

Remember, recruiters have quotas, and they'll say almost anything to get you to signup.. Think on it HARD first!!!
If you have the option open, to continue school and get a degree, do so!  Then your eyes will be a little more open,
and you will find out if military service is truly in your heart.. But just joining as a shortcut, is NOT the way to go!!!

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #33 on: July 25, 2009, 10:34:54 AM »
I just have no desire to go after a year of hell in highschool this year.

Year of hell in high school?  You actually said that? 

Sorry, if high school was hell in any way, you're not going to like the services or college (at least a decent college) at all.  In high school, someone actually cares if you pass or fail.  In college no one gives a crap what happens to you, and in the services they WANT you to fail, to make room for a better candidate.  Both make you work harder than at any other time in your life, to that point.

Serenity, with all due respect, this thread has made you seem pretty naive and sheltered.   
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Re: Military Question
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2009, 10:58:03 AM »
I think I want to avoid more school at all possible if I don't need it to get into a cockpit. What did you do in the service?

You're way off. You'll always need more school to get in a cockpit and especially to stay in a cockpit. No matter what career field you choose in the military there will be constant training much of which occurs in a classroom.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2009, 10:58:19 AM »
According to my girlfriend's father, Army WO2 who came up through the standard enlistment program, if you have a good ASVAB (Mine was a 93) and the required recomendations, you can go right to WO School from high-school (He had several who did that in his class) although you won't be well liked by the guys who came up the hard way.

I got a 95 overall (99 in several areas) and they said good job but it wont help. Basically put me in same group as 70-90 percentiles and meant nothing for placement. Figured out my knees wouldnt make it through boot camp and training so no love lost. I can do fine for a while but running just kills my knees after a weeks of it. To bad...would have enjoyed the Air Force.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2009, 12:18:48 PM »
You can't get promoted in the USAF nowadays without a degree, period.  I don't know the cutoff, but enlisted troops need at least a 2-year CCAF degree to get to around E5 (?) and you won't find a Chief without at least a bachelors and they usually have masters degrees.

Frankly Serenety, your lack of drive for education makes me doubt you'd succeed at the USAF academy.  It's tough there, and you have to really want it because there is no pot of gold at the end.  There is no guarantee of pilot training even if you're medically qualified, and if you go to pilot training, there is no guarantee of what you'll fly or even that you'll fly anything, since UPT grads are being sent to UAVs.

You've got it backwards to some extent...  You say you don't want education unless it leads directly to something you want, but the reality is that the degree is a key that will open a number of doors to opportunities.  Yes, many great careers don't require degrees, but you will find that some paths are simply not available without a degree.  There is no better time to get that degree than right after high school, because there will always be an excuse or perfectly valid reason to not get it later.  And that means you will see opportunities pass you by.

For some, like urchin apparently, this isn't a big deal.  But I have found far more people who wish they had a degree because of the options it would have given them, than people who wished they'd skipped that step and gone straight to whatever it is they ended up doing.  A "real" bachelors of science degree (in something reasonably technical, not history of basket weaving or poetry) will conservatively add over $10,000 to your annual salary for the duration of your career.  In the military, being an officer instead of enlisted will add anywhere from $5000 to $50,000 per year to your salary, the amount of difference increasing with each promotion.  A pilot with 12 years of aviation service pulls down about $70,000 without bonuses.  An enlisted flier with the same years of service gets a bit over half of that.

The degree is a key, and it will open doors.  If you happen to actually USE what you learned in school in your job, that is just icing on the cake.  But it's still a key.

If you don't know what to do or study in school, start out engineering or computers.  That way you'll get some math out of the way as a freshman, that you'll need if you go into any technical degree program.  You can always switch later, but if you start out sciences/engineering/computers, you won't be playing catch-up with the hard subjects as a sophomore or junior.
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Re: Military Question
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2009, 12:52:32 PM »
This seems more like what you're looking for Serenity.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2009, 12:54:57 PM »
The degree is a key, and it will open doors.  If you happen to actually USE what you learned in school in your job, that is just icing on the cake.  But it's still a key.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2009, 01:31:45 PM »
We're telling you serenity ! 1% of all cadets in USAF and USN get flight slot. In the army you have a much higher chance to fly, however you'd only fly choppah ! You probably will not like what we've been telling ya xD. Look dood, if you wanna fly, you're gunna have to work at it. Schooling and hitting that high GPA + high PT score (being in your best shape) is where you wanna begin. A lot of us here are prior service or still service member, we kinda know the deal.

The military doesn't care if you have a private liscence or any flight time prior joining. All cadets or canidate are the same accross the board. What will make you stand out vs. the thousand of other that wants to fly is your GPA and your PT score.
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Re: Military Question
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2009, 01:33:05 PM »
We're telling you serenity ! 1% of all cadets in USAF and USN get flight slot. In the army you have a much higher chance to fly, however you'd only fly choppah ! You probably will not like what we've been telling ya xD. Look dood, if you wanna fly, you're gunna have to work at it. Schooling and hitting that high GPA + high PT score (being in your best shape) is where you wanna begin. A lot of us here are prior service or still service member, we kinda know the deal.

The military doesn't care if you have a private liscence or any flight time prior joining. All cadets or canidate are the same accross the board. What will make you stand out vs. the thousand of other that wants to fly is your GPA and your PT score.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2009, 01:57:13 PM »
Serenity if you can't handle the social aspect of high school you will be turning up the heat facing some very significant challenges in the military.  If you can't handle the educational aspect of high school you will have significant challenges succeeding in a formal training course for any type of aircraft let alone a subject you might not have a passion for.  This goes especially for courses designed to wash out those who can't hack it rather than designed to help you along by holding your hand.  The military does the former rather than the latter.  It's no civil air patrol where you dress up to play airman, it's the real deal.

You've gotten some great advice and I think those giving it to you deserve that you take an objective introspective look at yourself, your motivations and your aspirations.  You seem to want the glory without having to work hard for it and while there's a possibility you might achieve that you'll only be letting down yourself.  Worse yet you'll be endangering those who might depend on you.

I don't expect you'll do it but there's always the hope you'll surprise us.  Good luck.

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2009, 02:41:36 PM »
My last word on the subject...

If you EVER express that the military owes you something, you might as well forget about getting what you want in the military.  People who feel entitled to something out of life tend to be very disappointed if they're in the military.
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Re: Military Question
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2009, 03:06:54 PM »
Serenity if you can't handle the social aspect of high school you will be turning up the heat facing some very significant challenges in the military.  If you can't handle the educational aspect of high school you will have significant challenges succeeding in a formal training course for any type of aircraft let alone a subject you might not have a passion for.  This goes especially for courses designed to wash out those who can't hack it rather than designed to help you along by holding your hand.  The military does the former rather than the latter.  It's no civil air patrol where you dress up to play airman, it's the real deal.

You've gotten some great advice and I think those giving it to you deserve that you take an objective introspective look at yourself, your motivations and your aspirations.  You seem to want the glory without having to work hard for it and while there's a possibility you might achieve that you'll only be letting down yourself.  Worse yet you'll be endangering those who might depend on you.

I don't expect you'll do it but there's always the hope you'll surprise us.  Good luck.

I think you've got it wrong Golfer. I'm really surprised that everyone's piling on like this. The guy just finished his Junior year of high school. I don't know about you, but when I was a kid I certainly thought that high school was much more tragic that I do looking back. And I can certainly understand burning out on school. I think that's more of the problem than anything else right now: Looking at school and an obstacle instead of a path. Right now in young Serenity's mind school is something he has to conquer in order to get what he's want. I hope that he'll come to understand that school is a never-ending path that leads you to where you want to go.

Anyhow, from his posts academics aren't an issue, so he's just got to put his head in straight over the course of the next year :)

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Re: Military Question
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2009, 03:19:44 PM »
You won't be flying jets without college; combat or otherwise. May not even get into a helo; at least not a combat ship.  Hope you like sim flying because without college you have a career path for a UAV.  This isn't 1967, where the Army is grabbing every helicopter off the assembly line and sticking a WO in the right seat for Huey duty.

These days, Id suggest that you're (original poster) going to have a pretty tough time getting into the seat of anything romantic without having a fairly significant log book of civi-turbine hours under your belt.

I dont want to defecate on your parade, but Shill is correct - no one is hurting for pilots these days.

If you want to guarantee yourself a flight spot, go to college and apply for an air contract with USMC OCS.