NEW QUOTE PLEASE

[swoose]

Where facts are few....experts are many.

You can't fix stupid!

[Shuffler]

Them red fellers are lower 'an a snakes belly in a wagon rut.

[A8Jaraxl]

One for any fellow Vets/Active duty out there.


"A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand that."

~UNKNOWN

[Nutzoid]

Nevaaaa, In thaaa history of man kind, As such a whine , been made, about so little.

HiTech

 

[texastc316]

"We are working on it, go ice your taint"

[OOZ662]

"A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life." That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand that."

~UNKNOWN

I've never really liked that one, because it exclude quite a bit of people. Those who didn't fight and never planned to fight should still be considered Veterans, I think. Though my father flew Hueys and fits that description perfectly, my mother was a social worker and put up with all sorts of hell from people trying to dodge. She deserves recognition too, I think...and I've met a couple people that use quotes like that to say that her service doesn't include her as a veteran.

[1MADDOG1]

I've never really liked that one, because it exclude quite a bit of people. Those who didn't fight and never planned to fight should still be considered Veterans, I think. Though my father flew Hueys and fits that description perfectly, my mother was a social worker and put up with all sorts of hell from people trying to dodge. She deserves recognition too, I think...and I've met a couple people that use quotes like that to say that her service doesn't include her as a veteran.

If you are or would have served, you would understand a whole lot better.

[OOZ662]

I understand it, I just don't think it's a decent way of thinking.

[hitech]

One of my favorite cam from Mark Priby, AKA Snail. As he was simulating a typical Warbirds Player.

"This game sucks, I quit and am never playing again, Maverick, what field are you at?"


HiTech

[OOZ662]

I've actually heard that one range vox in the MA before...in fact, I think that was back during the transition to AHII.

[Shuffler]

One of my favorite cam from Mark Priby, AKA Snail. As he was simulating a typical Warbirds Player.

"This game sucks, I quit and am never playing again, Maverick, what field are you at?"


HiTech

DOH!   

[A8Jaraxl]

I've never really liked that one, because it exclude quite a bit of people. Those who didn't fight and never planned to fight should still be considered Veterans, I think. Though my father flew Hueys and fits that description perfectly, my mother was a social worker and put up with all sorts of hell from people trying to dodge. She deserves recognition too, I think...and I've met a couple people that use quotes like that to say that her service doesn't include her as a veteran.

No one is saying she does not deserve recognition for the work she does. But, the truth is she is NOT a Vet of the US Armed Forces. Social Service is not a military or para military organization. This would be like asking us to make Steel Workers Vets because they risked their lives 2000ft above the ground working steel. While this is a dangerous job and indeed requires them to "put up with a great deal of peoples crap" it is NOT military service.  While it should gather its respective recognition, trying to pool nonmilitary occupations in the same lump as military is a futile effort. There is so much more to the Military then anyone could ever understand unless you where there yourself. If you never served, you simply have second hand knowledge which is subjective at best.

This is a quote about "Vets" ie those that served in the US Armed Forces. U.S. Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, Coast Guard, Spec-Ops, Federal Service. Last I checked Social Service while an honorable and respected occupation is not in that list. So NO, she is not a "VET" both by letter of the "law" and by simple process of elimination. Why is it that a quote on a specific subject must be criticized because it did not include everyone? Your responce is exactly what this quote is talking about. You mother is NOT fighting, chose NOT to fight, as much as women are allowed these days, yet she should get the same recognition as those that went willingly into harms way? If you think putting up with peoples "crap" and the hell that creates is what we are talking about in honoring our vets, you need to take a step back, take off the rose colored glasses and look again. Your mother works a JOB, one in which she can quit without reprisal at any time. She is not sent into combat zones, not required to live her life 24/7 by the standards of the Federal Government and Department of Defense. There is no comparison.

[OOZ662]

The difference between a steel worker and my mother would be that she went through Basic and other training programs, had a serial number, and wore a US Army uniform. She worked on-base, just as "regulated" as anybody else. Sure, she wasn't put through hell and didn't necessarily risk her life for her country, but she wasn't allowed to back then either...so that point's a bit moot.

I personally think if you don the uniform, serve your country and its war effort, and are honorably discharged, you ought to be recognized as a Veteran. Your opinion, of course, is up to you.

[A8Jaraxl]

The difference between a steel worker and my mother would be that she went through Basic and other training programs, had a serial number, and wore a US Army uniform. She worked on-base, just as "regulated" as anybody else. Sure, she wasn't put through hell and didn't necessarily risk her life for her country, but she wasn't allowed to back then either...so that point's a bit moot.

I personally think if you don the uniform, serve your country and its war effort, and are honorably discharged, you ought to be recognized as a Veteran. Your opinion, of course, is up to you.

Then she was not in Social Service, she was in the US Army. Then she would be a Vet. Unless she did not serve at least 180 active days, reservists are not considered available for "Vet" status until they served 180 active days. Not saying she was a reservist, just mentioning this because it is one of the only standards (along with honorable discharge) that is placed on if you qualify to be a "vet" or not within Military service.
This information would have been good to know in your first statement rather then in a second statement. As it makes it look like you are now backpeddling in order to save face. Social Service and Military Service are two different things. None of this is my opinion. The Federal Goverment clearly defines what a "Vet" is.
You do not have to see "combat or combat operations" to be a Vet. If you did see combat or combat operations for a determined length of time, then you are considered a Combat Vet.

If she indeed wore the uniform and qualified for "vet" status then no one can say she is not a Vet. If she wore the uniform, but did not qualify for "Vet" status then she is not a "vet". There is really no grey area here or opinion about it.

[OOZ662]

I'm curious if there's a misunderstanding of terms here. She served in the U.S. Army as a social worker; one whose duty it was to deal with the psychological work involved with people who did things such as shot themselves in the foot to get out or became overly stressed. She served a term throughout the Vietnam War and was honorably discharged. I can't really give you an accurate figure as to how long she served, though. Both of my parents would rather forget it: father through trauma and mother angered at the way she experienced being looked down upon due to the thoughts on the war at the time. I do know it was certainly longer than 180 days, though. Very much so.

I know there's the definition by law, but there's plenty of combat veterans I've encountered that say calling her any kind of a veteran is a "disgrace" to them. They're just too macho about it; maybe they deserve to be, but I don't agree with them.