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Offline B4Buster

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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #45 on: September 10, 2009, 07:01:43 PM »
This I know.  I also know he did the same prior to that with Marines and their Corsairs.  It's the "Napalm" refrence I say B.S. to.


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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #46 on: September 10, 2009, 07:53:13 PM »
This is a great source of USN/USMC World War 2 statistics.
http://www.history.navy.mil/download/nasc.pdf  [NOTE: it's a 3.5 meg PDF]
This is OPNAV-P-23V NO.129 which was published 17 June 1946, after 8 months of collecting and sorting operational data.

If you look at page 115, you'll see that USN/USMC aircraft dropped 2,554 TONS of Napalm in 1945.
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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2009, 02:51:23 AM »
How so?  That there wasn't napalm in those tanks, or that Col. Lindbergh flew with napalm loaded?

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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #48 on: September 17, 2009, 03:39:42 PM »
The latest update has added the framework for expanded ordinance options, so I think it's time to bump this thread.

Oh yeah, in addition to the center pylon:

TINY TIMS! Option for it on all three pylons on the 1D, the wing pylons on the 1C and 4, and the center pylon on the 1A. I've been trying to push for a "Project Danny" FSO, and actually HAVING the Tiny Tim would be great, rather than having to substitute 500lb bombs.

A number of other aircraft, including the B-25, were also equipped to launch these rockets.
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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #49 on: September 17, 2009, 05:35:18 PM »
Does anybody have a photo of an F4U-1D with two 1,000lb bombs, one 2,000lb bomb and eight rockets?  I am a little skeptical that all of that was carried at once.


Thanks, but those images don't exactly back up the claimed loadout.

While returning to the United States, Lindbergh stopped at the Marshall Islands and visited with the Marine Corsair squadrons that were bombing and strafing bypassed Japanese garrisons.  On his final two flights on Sept. 12th/13th, 1944 he flew loaded with a 2,000 pound bomb on the center pylon and 2 1,000 pound bombs under the wing.  He dropped his bombs on targets located on Wotje Island.

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Also, the P-38L could carry two 2,000lb bombs, the Typhoon could carry sixteen rockets and so on.  Many rarely used loadouts are not in the game because they would be overly dominant.  It is bad enough how often 1,000lb bombs are carried by fighters already.

The 2,000 pound loadout was not rare ordnance to be carried by the P-38, they carried them depending on the mission parameters.  They had to use wooden bomb shackles to carry them that would bang up the P-38 on bomb release and both bombs had to be dropped at the same time during pull out.  Otherwise the shackles would be torn from the plane due to the G-force.  That was pretty much the main reason why the P-38 didn't use 2,000 pound bombs regularly.


Rockets on the other hand were an uncommon loadout for P-38s.  One fighter group's squadron never used rockets on any missions they flew in combat in the ETO (428th FS, 474th FG served in the ETO until the end of the war).  Another squadron that did use them from time to time in the PTO mentions that on missions were they did carry rockets on their rails (referring to the P-38L), they would routinely not carry 20 mm ammunition.

I wouldn't be surprised if the instances of P-38s carrying 2,000 pound bombs didn't happen with more frequency than P-38s carrying rockets.


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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #50 on: September 17, 2009, 08:39:11 PM »
Saxman, could you hook me up with some more info in these Tiny Tims which you speak of, and maybe even a picture too? Sounds BA  :x
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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #51 on: September 17, 2009, 08:56:33 PM »
Saxman, could you hook me up with some more info in these Tiny Tims which you speak of, and maybe even a picture too? Sounds BA  :x

Tiny Tim rocket

Here are some pictures.









Tiny Tim impact explosion during test firing


Tiny Tim hitting 3 inch armor plate (to simulate a ship or blockhouse)


Another famous Tiny Tim



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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #52 on: September 17, 2009, 08:59:55 PM »
Basically, it's a 500lb semi-armor piercing naval shell with a rocket motor attached. They were fired from F4Us, F6Fs, TBMs, SB2Cs, and even PBJ-1s (B-25, including the B-25H which we have, slung from wing mounts).

Looking at the series of images against the 3" armor plate, imagine letting one of those bad boys go against a Wirblewind. That plate is struck at about a 45 degree angle yet it punches straight through.
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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #53 on: September 17, 2009, 09:13:30 PM »
Holy crap, I want one now  :lol

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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #54 on: September 17, 2009, 09:30:11 PM »
Screw all that.  Make this!  The Skyraider carried more ord than the B-17 and saw about as much action at the end of the war as ME-262

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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2009, 09:33:55 PM »
Uh.... Delivery of first production aircraft of the AD Skyraider wasn't until December 1946.  I'd say the 262 had a good couple years on it.
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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2009, 09:35:14 PM »
Screw all that.  Make this!  The Skyraider carried more ord than the B-17 and saw about as much action at the end of the war as ME-262

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Re: F4U-1D Center Pylon
« Reply #57 on: September 17, 2009, 09:35:40 PM »
Screw all that.  Make this!  The Skyraider carried more ord than the B-17 and saw about as much action at the end of the war as ME-262

Are you serious?  Did you even to bother reading about the plane before making the above statement?  


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