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Offline AirFlyer

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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2009, 11:52:29 AM »
Glad to hear people like the thread, and even better are getting some useful information out of it.
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2009, 01:00:48 PM »
Great thread.It's very important to get processes down as much as possible.I even shut down explorer after I'm in the game.Running 13 processes.I ran AH fine on a AMD 5000.Like to see community coming together to help others!
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2009, 02:23:31 PM »
Glad to hear people like the thread, and even better are getting some useful information out of it.

Great post, sir...deserves  "sticky" status.  :salute

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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2009, 02:37:45 PM »
Thanks Skuzzy for the reply , I know your busy as hell so we appreciate the quick replies.
Okay if the GeForce 7300 le is a low end card - what to upgrade to is the question?
I have no problem replacing the card if that will fix it - I'll try latest drivers tonight - although I think I need a new card for my Dell E520. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
THANKS ALL AH2 and this thread.
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2009, 03:00:13 PM »
macdp51, hit the hardware forums.  I am sure there will be a few folks have a discussion about that very thing.  If not, start a topic.  I am pretty active in that forum.
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2009, 03:04:13 PM »
mac,I upgraded from a 7300GT to an 8800GTS,it worked FLAWLESSLY with the last patch,this one is giving some problems but hopefully patch 2 will fix them.
FRs are good in just about every game you will run,AHII and Vista just aren't clicking with me right now

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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2009, 03:29:34 PM »
I'd recommend a $50 Radeon HD4650 or a $90 GeForce 9600GT (based on Tom's Hardware "Best Graphics Cards for the Money, July, 2009":  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,2362.html ).

Graphics card:

nVidia Geforce 9600GT with DDR3 vid. mem and 650 MHz core, specifically:
eVGA version from Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130424
cost from Newegg.com = $90

or

Radeon HD4650 with DDR3 vid. mem, specifically:
Sapphire version from Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102838
cost from Newegg.com = $50

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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2009, 11:09:26 PM »
Well, I gave it a try.

The guts of the system

- Dell XPS T600 circa 1997 with Intel SE440BX-3 motherboard and a 250W Foxcon power supply.
- Intel Pentium III Tualitin 1.2 Ghz Celeron processor (upgrade from the original PIII 600 Mhz) in a Slot 1 slocket adapter with a 100 Mhz front side bus and a 256 Kb L2 cache.
- 768 Mb PC100 SDRAM (3 dimms) @ 2 cas latency.
- eVGA Geforce MX-440 GTS 64 Mb AGP 2x video card.
- Soundblaster Live! Value sound card
- Dual boot Win98SE/XP Pro (AHII resides on the XP Pro partition)

Preparing for AHII 2.14

- First I went to blackviper.com and printed out the services list so that I could double check my current services.  I've done this before but every once in a while when Windows updates it will re-enable a service on me so I want to be sure I've got the most obvious things turned off.  I stick mostly with the "safe" list as I've got this machine relegated to file server duties to my other two machines for the most part so I haven't cut even close to the bone.  Sure enough I find one or two more processes I can turn off.

- Next I take a moment to update both Windows and my security suite as long as I'm doing system maintenence then I shut my entire security suite down.  I'm behind a router so I'm still firewalled.

- Now I go and download the game and install it.  I want to do this before cleaning up my machine so that if anything gets left behind in the temp folder I'll take care of that during clean-up.

- After the game is installed (but hasn't yet been launched), I run disc cleanup on all of my hard drives and partitions (I have a total of 5 partitions on 3 hard drives in this machine).

- Disc clean-up done it's time to defragment.  I haven't done this in several months on this machine (normally I do it about every two months) as I've been moving a lot of files on a consistant basis and been hoping I'd be done soon.  Oh well, no time like now so I defrag all my drives and partitions which takes several hours.

- Next it's a check of the video card settings.  I open the Nvidia control panal and immediately turn everything to minimum.  I can always turn stuff back up later if I need/want to (which I will as you will see).

The moment of truth

- The moment of truth has arrived.  It's time to go test video settings off-line.  After several times jumping in and out of the game tweaking my video card settings, the games video settings and the games graphic settings this is what I end up with as the best balance between playability and graphics:

My video card settings:



My game settings:



The only thing turned on in the advanced settings below is bump mapping.  It was my only selectable option.  I also later selected disable other players skins.



*Note:  I'm not too worried about low frame rates off-line as they seem to always report about 1/2 what they run on-line.  They do this on both my machines.

So, I'm testing off line.  Not great but playable.  I'm not allowed to select detailed terrain so this is the best I get (remember... double the frame rates in this series of pics to equate to on-line):

Off-line world view:



Off-line explosion:



Off-line world from tank:



But now comes the moment of truth.  How will it play on-line?

On-line world view:



On-line furball:



My frame rates on-line ran anywhere from 15 in the biggest furballs (see the open map) on the deck to 75+ in open air.  25-40 were the most typical frame rates I was getting.  Setting ground vis range to 1 1/2 miles adds about 10 fps.

I was getting some slight stuttering and noticed that it happened as I had to load new textures.  Furthermore, textures (i.e. trees from alt) that had already been loaded would appear occasionally as white blobs and cause a stutter as they re-loaded. 

While not anything like playing on my other machine the game was playable.  I was actually having a harder time adapting back to my old (sloppy) MS Sidewinder 3D Pro than I was adapting to the game graphics and minor stuttering.

The game without detailed terrain reminded me a lot of playing Air Warrior.  If this was the best machine I had I certainly wouldn't let this stop me from playing.  It is all about the fight after all isn't it?

All that said I'm disappointed that HT won't alow you to turn on detailed terrain and turn other things down to compensate.  I'd be willing to drop my antialiasing and anistopic filtering settings for detailed terrain.  Running 40-75 frames on-line I'd be willing to give up 25 fps but I'm not allowed that option.  I also think pre-loaded textures need to return.  I know for a fact that's what was causing my minor stuttering because I could literally see the textures re-loading each time it did so.

In conclusion if this ancient machine can play the game I think just about anything can.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2009, 12:10:24 AM by BaldEagl »
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2009, 12:47:10 AM »
My laptop is a Pent 2.2 (single core) with 256meg ram and a 64meg mobility radeon 9000. It runs the new version of AH without any problems, although it is pretty ugly graphic wise, sort of like my mother in law naked.

My desktop on the other hand has everything maxed (detail, AA, at 1920x1200, all the skin, custom sounds), thankfully I bought a TilDeath system a few months ago.
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2009, 01:12:45 AM »
BaldEagl is the man!  Cool experiment!  :aok

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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2009, 05:55:18 AM »
The guts of the system

- Dell XPS T600 circa 1997 with Intel SE440BX-3 motherboard and a 250W Foxcon power supply.
- Intel Pentium III Tualitin 1.2 Ghz Celeron processor (upgrade from the original PIII 600 Mhz) in a Slot 1 slocket adapter with a 100 Mhz front side bus and a 256 Kb L2 cache.
- 768 Mb PC100 SDRAM (3 dimms) @ 2 cas latency.
- eVGA Geforce MX-440 GTS 64 Mb AGP 2x video card.
- Soundblaster Live! Value sound card
- Dual boot Win98SE/XP Pro (AHII resides on the XP Pro partition)

looks like we have a low-spec champion for playable AH!  :lol

just goes to prove that if you're methodical about it any fairly recent PC will play AH. reminds me of those guys who do the Paris/Dakar in cars which cost less than £1000. they dont just drive to the start line and expect to finish, they change all the fluids, fit new brake pads, spark plugs, ignition leads, filters etc. and rip out all the stuff which doesnt need to be there (back seats, stereo etc.)
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2009, 06:45:50 AM »
Hello All,
Great thread, for the GeForce7300le downloaded the latest drver pack from Nvidia site 80+mb, Screen res on the game settings to 1024x768, max tex size 512. Run CC cleaner prior to start, start game booster (to shutdown unwanted processes) from I think iboit. I set graphics on the game to default went to advanced and turned off water(uncheck box)and so far so good - Frame rate 40 -59 and I have terrain on.
This is the best thread yet, Thanks again to AH2 and the players, I still will probably upgrade to the 9600gt card. The bright side is I learned alot about my computer (whole new world in there- tweak tweak) and as said above, sometimes you just gotta slowly work thru the problem without the hysteria of the sky is falling. When I upgarde the card even though my current card is low end, I'll post it here for anyone who wants it for free. Not the best card as Skuzzy says but for someone who can't play or can't get a new card it may help out. I know it's not much , just trying to help out in repayment for the help received.
Thanks to all. :salute :rock
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2009, 10:03:43 AM »
Nice addition BaldEagl, kinda amazed you got something from circa 1997 to run the game so well. Ashame ya couldn't get Detailed Terrain to work but even then.
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2009, 10:48:23 AM »
A couple of notable things regarding that experiment:

I had system overhead to spare.  I could have trimmed processes much further than I did.  I could have turned off antialiasing and anistopic filtering and I could have reduced ground vis range.  Beyond that I had Paintshop Pro open in the background as I alt-tabbed in and out of the game pasting screen shots and with each additional picture more of my memory went into use.  You'll also notice I had the film recorder running adding yet another process to the load.  I'd have also been willing to give up frame rate.  Other than the texture load stutters as I changed views the game was fluid even at the lowest frame rates.

I can see why HT doesn't want low end users to jump into the game with all the graphics cranked up.  I just think they should default low but still give the user the option to turn what they want on/off/up/down.  Skuzzy always talks about Microsoft's "big brother" functionality (specifically tageted at Vista).  This is no different.  "Power users" should be allowed to make individual choices.
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Re: Making a 300$ computer run AHII 2.14
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2009, 11:00:00 AM »
I don't think the issue is that they are baby-sitting you when it comes to the settings, rather then the GPU itself just does not support the feature. If it's grayed out it's very likely that your GPU just can't do whats required for that settings. Sort of like trying to run DX10 settings on a DX9 card for example.
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