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Offline Karnak

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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2009, 01:44:51 AM »
The T-34's armor seems somewhat over modeled. It was very effective against the early German 37 mm and 50 mm AT guns, but not against a 75+ mm class weapon. The front glacis plate on the T-34/76 was only 45 mm thick. By comparison the contemporary M4 Sherman had a 51 mm plate.
The T-34's armor is very sloped, this greatly increaes the effectiveness for a given thickness.  The T-34 seems just about as tough as it ought to be.
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2009, 02:10:06 AM »
See Rule #7
Maybe you just suck.

See Rule #7
Again, maybe you just suck.

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No. Why would there be? It is a MMO. What would be gained from giving one player an advantage over the rest of the player base?
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2009, 03:05:44 AM »
The T-34's armor is very sloped, this greatly increaes the effectiveness for a given thickness.  The T-34 seems just about as tough as it ought to be.






The difference in slope is less than 5 degrees.
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2009, 04:17:13 AM »
are there cheat codes for the game??????
Nah,just whine codes. :D
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2009, 08:51:53 AM »
Thr M4 was a very tough tank to kill when taken head on. The problems it faced were a combination of of its high profile and low velocity gun. The gun tube dictated tactics that forced the Sherman to close within 1000M vs even PZIII/IV and 500M vs Panthers etc. This was obviously difficult and the high profile sure didn't help. German tactical doctrines that often placed high velocity anti-tank guns in forward positions compounded the problems.

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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2009, 09:16:57 AM »
Is the Sherman VC as tough as the T-34 in-game?
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2009, 10:25:49 AM »
Is the Sherman VC as tough as the T-34 in-game?
From the front and top I'd say it is close.  From any other angle nope.
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2009, 11:00:38 AM »
See Rule #7
I know PH personally and can assure you he does not cheat. I would suggest a couple of things:

1) You owe PH an apology.

2) Read the forum rules before you post in the forums. You have violated a specific rule here. 

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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2009, 11:04:47 AM »
Then it must be the T-34's gun that is modeled too weak. It should be a little better than the U.S. 75 mm in performance, and a 75 mm M4 would have no problem killing another M4 front quarter.
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2009, 12:59:44 PM »
I don't feel like talking to PH. :lol
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2009, 01:01:46 PM »
I did not break any rules, i said i think PH does. Maybe you should look at rule 7 again. :rofl
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2009, 01:24:29 PM »
Mayhap when you return to school next month you will work on reading comprehension re: rules
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2009, 03:25:55 PM »
I did not break any rules, i said i think PH does. Maybe you should look at rule 7 again. :rofl

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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2009, 03:59:38 PM »
"a 75 mm M4 would have no problem killing another M4 front quarter."

Not correct. The 75mm APC round was capable of @90mm at 500 yards, and the hull front afforded about the same protection, in fact a bit more than that. Front quarter, often would not have resulted in a penetration, especially at farther ranges. A Firefly vs a Firefly? they would have no problem killing each other front quarter, even out to 2000 yards, but that is entirely a different circumstance.

Same goes for the T-34/76, for the exact same reason. The gun can just penetrate another T-34 at 500 yards from a dead on shot. Armor front hull is @90mm protection, with the APC round being able to do @100mm.  Any more angle, or farther range, would very likely not go through. Its not a 75L/43, or a 17 Pounder, and has nowhere near the same power.  Using HVAP will obviously help, but even that is no guarantee.

The fact many do not go through indicates both gun, and armor, are modelled correctly, and maybe some hard looking at the gun and armor would be helpfull before the usual assumptions that something is over, or under modelled, which seems to be the 1st thing many do. You cannot expect every round to go through, even if statistically the gun is capable.
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Re: t-34 against t-34 DOES NOT WORK!!!!
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2009, 05:54:55 PM »
I don't feel like talking to PH. :lol
Why? Because you don't want to admit you are wrong? Even if you don't feel like it, you have to suck it up, and do what is required of you, as you are playing with the big kids now.
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